I do believe in the death penalty, but I feel like the burden of evidence should be exceptionally high. I shudder to think rof how many innocent people we have executed in the name of justice. Yes the number of 100 is conservative...but consider this. Those 289 specific cases that have been overturned due to DNA only have the potential to include cases where there is DNA evidence. There are thousands of eyewitness and circumstantial cases where DNA doesn't even exist. We'll never have a clear number on those. We have all heard very real cases of gross prosecutorial injustices and bias. I couldn't imagine me or a loved one in that kind of predicament.
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Not that I am convinced the death penalty is great... But if the killing of an innocent is grounds for not having it, could we similarly oppose all war?
I do believe in the death penalty, but I feel like the burden of evidence should be exceptionally high. I shudder to think rof how many innocent people we have executed in the name of justice. Yes the number of 100 is conservative...but consider this. Those 289 specific cases that have been overturned due to DNA only have the potential to include cases where there is DNA evidence. There are thousands of eyewitness and circumstantial cases where DNA doesn't even exist. We'll never have a clear number on those. We have all heard very real cases of gross prosecutorial injustices and bias. I couldn't imagine me or a loved one in that kind of predicament.
Those are excellent points, Stew.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
I have always admired victims family members, that forgive the ones that murdered their loved ones. Mostly they do it for their own peace of mind I think. And I try to remember with the death penalty, their are always many victims on both sides. And both sides lose someone.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
I do believe in the death penalty, but I feel like the burden of evidence should be exceptionally high. I shudder to think rof how many innocent people we have executed in the name of justice. Yes the number of 100 is conservative...but consider this. Those 289 specific cases that have been overturned due to DNA only have the potential to include cases where there is DNA evidence. There are thousands of eyewitness and circumstantial cases where DNA doesn't even exist. We'll never have a clear number on those. We have all heard very real cases of gross prosecutorial injustices and bias. I couldn't imagine me or a loved one in that kind of predicament.
Because the people involved in the prosecution of these cases are also using them to build careers they are not without bias. There can be huge public pressure to bring someone, anyone in and once they have targeted a suspect it is not in their best interests to let it go easily. This can be a set up for abuse of the system.
Do not misunderstand. We are a family with deep roots in law enforcement but I believe that only God should determine a persons time of death and if we try to circumvent that in our quest for justice we have tipped the scales in a wrong direction. One can never give someone back their life once it is taken.
Stew have you read the Clarence Brandley story? Happened right here in my home town and all of the crooked DAs that were involved are now judges. Every person involved in the false prosecution of Mr. Brandley was rewarded for their work on the case, when he was exonerated not one of them lost their promotion, let alone their job, over it. There is absolutely no accountability for police officers and DAs that knowingly persecute the innocent.
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Because the people involved in the prosecution of these cases are also using them to build careers they are not without bias. There can be huge public pressure to bring someone, anyone in and once they have targeted a suspect it is not in their best interests to let it go easily. This can be a set up for abuse of the system.
Do not misunderstand. We are a family with deep roots in law enforcement but I believe that only God should determine a persons time of death and if we try to circumvent that in our quest for justice we have tipped the scales in a wrong direction. One can never give someone back their life once it is taken.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
I am inclined to agree, but then I remembered the healing that is available for those who choose to forgive.
Burning them alive doesn't read right at all.
So who is to forgive them? The victims or people not involved in the crime at all? In most cases it is the "people not involved in the crime at all" who think they are capable of forgiving the perps on behalf of the victims.
Because the people involved in the prosecution of these cases are also using them to build careers they are not without bias. There can be huge public pressure to bring someone, anyone in and once they have targeted a suspect it is not in their best interests to let it go easily. This can be a set up for abuse of the system.
Do not misunderstand. We are a family with deep roots in law enforcement but I believe that only God should determine a persons time of death and if we try to circumvent that in our quest for justice we have tipped the scales in a wrong direction. One can never give someone back their life once it is taken.
Stew have you read the Clarence Brandley story? Happened right here in my home town and all of the crooked DAs that were involved are now judges. Every person involved in the false prosecution of Mr. Brandley was rewarded for their work on the case, when he was exonerated not one of them lost their promotion, let alone their job, over it. There is absolutely no accountability for police officers and DAs that knowingly persecute the innocent.
Yes, I am aware of his story. I personally don't think I could live with myself if I was party to condemning innocent people. All humans make legitimate mistakes, but there should absolutely be the harshest of penalties when there is actual misconduct and intentional subversion of the law and due process. They should have to pay no matter how long it takes for the truth to come out.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
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