Bomb Iran??

[Dordrecht]

If I had a guy living next door who keeps telling me that he wants me dead, I would be very concerned.
If I see him stocking up on rifles, etc, I would be REALLY concerned.
If I see him loading a rifle and setting it up, I would do everything in my power to sabotage that rifle.

That's the situation Israel is in.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

If I had a guy living next door who keeps telling me that he wants me dead, I would be very concerned.
If I see him stocking up on rifles, etc, I would be REALLY concerned.
If I see him loading a rifle and setting it up, I would do everything in my power to sabotage that rifle.

That's the situation Israel is in.

If this was my neighbor, I wouldn't do ANYTHING to sabotage his rifle.

I'd make preparations for the attack, for my defense-- enough so to subdue the attacker.

I'm not going to go and attack the burglar, robber, rapist or whoever BEFORE they do anything. Where is the justice in that? I thought Conservatives were against the idea of, "thought police."

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If this was my neighbor, I wouldn't do ANYTHING to sabotage his rifle.

I'd make preparations for the attack, for my defense-- enough so to subdue the attacker.

I'm not going to go and attack the burglar, robber, rapist or whoever BEFORE they do anything. Where is the justice in that? I thought Conservatives were against the idea of, "thought police."

Agreed.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If this was my neighbor, I wouldn't do ANYTHING to sabotage his rifle.

I'd make preparations for the attack, for my defense-- enough so to subdue the attacker.

I'm not going to go and attack the burglar, robber, rapist or whoever BEFORE they do anything. Where is the justice in that? I thought Conservatives were against the idea of, "thought police."

IF a man had a gun and he was threatening to shoot you, would you shoot him first or wait until after he fires his gun?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

IF a man had a gun and he was threatening to shoot you, would you shoot him first or wait until after he fires his gun?

It depends.

Is he talking about it? If so, his words alone are not my justification to shoot him. I would be convicted in ANY court of law for killing someone simply because they convinced me they were going to shoot me if I let him.

Is he reaching for the gun that I know or can reasonably believe that he has in his pocket?

I'd feel justified in DEFENDING myself in that case.

Is it my right to stop him from purchasing or acquiring his gun? No.


If he is pointing the gun at me, it might possibly be too late-- so what am I to do? Point my gun at someone who is potentially unarmed before they can point what they have or don't have at me?


Pre-emptive strikes risk being perceived as nothing more that unprovoked acts of war.

The bombing of Pearl Harbor could be argued as a pre-emptive strike!

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If this was my neighbor, I wouldn't do ANYTHING to sabotage his rifle.

I'd make preparations for the attack, for my defense-- enough so to subdue the attacker.

I'm not going to go and attack the burglar, robber, rapist or whoever BEFORE they do anything. Where is the justice in that? I thought Conservatives were against the idea of, "thought police."

If you want to be a sitting duck, that's the right way to go.
You mentioned "rapist", would you wait for him to rape your wife before you take action?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It depends.

Is he talking about it? If so, his words alone are not my justification to shoot him. I would be convicted in ANY court of law for killing someone simply because they convinced me they were going to shoot me if I let him.

Is he reaching for the gun that I know or can reasonably believe that he has in his pocket?

I'd feel justified in DEFENDING myself in that case.

Is it my right to stop him from purchasing or acquiring his gun? No.


If he is pointing the gun at me, it might possibly be too late-- so what am I to do? Point my gun at someone who is potentially unarmed before they can point what they have or don't have at me?


Pre-emptive strikes risk being perceived as nothing more that unprovoked acts of war.

The bombing of Pearl Harbor could be argued as a pre-emptive strike!

So in this case we wait for Iran to attack us first? That sounds like a bad strategy

[bbyrd009]

Lol, you guys just sliiiide on down that slope. Here's a little something for after you decide who to nuke tonite (the minute you think anybody is nuking anybody without God's approval):

"The way of living under God's reign is shocking and impractical within the context of the kingdom of the world, but it is the only way that is in harmony with God, in concert with what he is doing in the world, and, thus, the only way that manifests his reign." GBoyd, emphasis mine

Ha, I lied I know exactly what i'll do.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So in this case we wait for Iran to attack us first? That sounds like a bad strategy

Was Japan justified in her pre-emptive strike on us at Pearl Harbor?


Historically, America has not been a bellicose nation.

What happened to, "Speak softly and carry a big stick?"

There is nothing pre-emptive about the Monroe Doctrine or any other foreign policy that has guided our nation from then to now (I really wanted to use the word "heretofore" as I hardly get the chance to use it.)

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So in this case we wait for Iran to attack us first? That sounds like a bad strategy

It can't be good to ATTACK Iran unprovoked either.

We are to be prepared for war and win, but that doesn't mean we are to start the war.