Where are they today? - Page 3

Esther · #21 01-12-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

Jews are not black.

No but you seemed to indicate a black and white picture you can't tell the difference.

Jay · #22 01-12-2012, 11:19 PM

Actually, I believe that the Semitic peoples are listed as being 'white'. When I was younger, and knew less of the Bible, I bought into the doctine a little bit. However, I later came to see that this is nothing more than British/Israelism writ large. It is a delusion and anti-Semitic because it claims that the people that we know as Jews are not actually Jewish.

For the person who mentioned the 'Serpent Seed Doctrine', this is a doctrine that states that Eve's sin was having intimate relations with the devil. The devil was then the father of Cain. Cain then passed on his tainted heritage, and so we have people who are direct descendants of the devil. These people can not be saved.

I categorically deny both of these doctrines as falsehoods and heresies.

Esther · #23 01-13-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Actually, I believe that the Semitic peoples are listed as being 'white'. When I was younger, and knew less of the Bible, I bought into the doctine a little bit. However, I later came to see that this is nothing more than British/Israelism writ large. It is a delusion and anti-Semitic because it claims that the people that we know as Jews are not actually Jewish.

For the person who mentioned the 'Serpent Seed Doctrine', this is a doctrine that states that Eve's sin was having intimate relations with the devil. The devil was then the father of Cain. Cain then passed on his tainted heritage, and so we have people who are direct descendants of the devil. These people can not be saved.

I categorically deny both of these doctrines as falsehoods and heresies.

So Jay are you saying you believe all the tribes are in Israel today?

deacon blues · #24 01-13-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

I think we are not on the same page here.

Even though the tribes may have lived in the same area they still maintained what tribe they were of. If you talk to a Jew today they will mostly likely tell what tribe they are from.

I know I had a doctor who told me he was from the tribe of Benjamin. So they don't all go by the tribe of Judah, although you are correct in saying that is how they got the term "Jew".

Actually most Jews don't know what tribe they're from in my experience. What I'm saying is that all twelve tribes remained intact, even during the diaspora. Scripture evidence that I provided says as much. The lost tribes myth is foolishness.

There are European Jews (Ashkenazi) and there are Middle Eastern Jews (Sephardic). There are some other sub-ethnicities within Jewry as well. There are black Jews (Ethiopian). I've seen them with my own eyes on two trips to Israel. However, there is no credible evidence that WASPs are the lost tribes of Israel. Geneticists have run tests on the different strains of the Jewish people and found common DNA. This is of particular interest to Jews because one's Jewishness is determined by your mother. White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestants do not possess the common DNA that the Ashkenazi, Sephardic and other ethnicities of Jews possess.

English, Germanic, Scandinavian or other Caucasian races are NOT the lost tribes of Israel! No credible historian, geneticist, sociologist or theologian believes such! Those that do may be intelligent and persuasive, but underlying the idea is a mixture of nutty thinking and anti-semitism.

houston · #25 01-13-2012, 10:43 AM

Ah well... we're all "Israel" anyway.

Falla39 · #26 01-13-2012, 11:22 AM

Old Natural Creation -New Spiritual Creation
Old Testament Law - New Testament Salvation
Old Natural Jerusalem - New Spiritual Jerusalem (Church)
Old Natural Israel - New True Israel (CHURCH)

Old Israel under the Law - New Israel fulfilled IN CHRIST (TRUE)

2 Corinthians 5:17

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new".

Jesus said, MY Sheep HEAR my VOICE and they do FOLLOW me! Those who
HEAR and FOLLOW JESUS are the TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD!

Those who are not IN CHRIST are still under the Law. The Law could make
no one righteous. Only the Son could make mankind FREE.

Jay · #27 01-14-2012, 01:48 AM

Sadly, the British/Israel theology also leads to replacement theology, which is partly why the many Christians in Western European countries said a thing during the Holocost. It is a sad fact.

Falla39 · #28 01-14-2012, 01:22 PM

Galatians 6:14-16

14 But far be it from me to boast, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Falla39 · #29 01-14-2012, 02:06 PM

Bro. Jay,
I know very little about British/Israel, except from what little I have heard. That they believe that America is Manasseh and Great Britian is Ephraiam. Not much.

When the two kingdoms split, Judah and Israel, were divided. If all Israel will be saved, it will be Judah and Israel reconcilled. All Israel to me means all of Jacob's children will be saved because of the Cross. The middle wall of partition comes down between any race, gender, servant/master, meet at the Cross. Because of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. IN Christ, when we obey the plan of salvation as given in the 2nd chapter of Acts.
After years of regret of seeing their father, Jacob, grieved and the thought of his losing another son. The brothers confessed their sin, Joseph told them
that although their intent was evil, God meant it for good, to save a nation. The nation of Israel.

2 Cor.5:17

17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. IN CHRIST, a New Creation begins.

Jermyn Davidson · #30 01-14-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Being that America is a "melting pot" of all races, creeds and cultures, I would not think that we would be considered the lost tribe of Manasseh. I have heard this myself many years ago.

Some people think we resemble Mystery Babylon more than Manasseh.

I hope not, but I can understand the correlation.