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12-18-2011, 12:02 PM
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Re: Apology
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Originally Posted by hometown guy
Very true... It takes being right inside and out.
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....and please explain what is "right" inside and "out"?
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12-18-2011, 03:28 PM
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Re: Apology
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Originally Posted by CC1
I believe many would say what I quoted you here on is exactly what those men are doing. They are getting back to the Bible / Christianity itself stripped down from the things men have added on to it over the years and have become Pentecostal culture / traditions.
Looks like you and Melody are in for a lot of angst because I see more men of God realizing they have to get back to the Bible to really fulfill the great commission than I ever have in my 52 years in or around old time Pentecost.
It is exciting for someone like me who believes the church has been in a ditch busy measuring each others skirt length and whether or not a man has facial hair while the world is suffering mightily and going to hell in a handbasket.
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I know that you will disagree, but it seems strange to me that God calls us to be different from the world in all things, but it is said that looking like the sinners will attract them to us. I would say that they followed the elders while they lived, but are now following what they have wanted for many years. The measure was only keep necklines above the cleavage, wear sleeves on shirts and blouses, hemlines are below the knees. That is not 'measuring skirt lengths', and do you blame them if they did not want look like the hippies, bums, and druggies from the 1950s-the present. Image is very imortant to everybody, no matter what others want to say.
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Originally Posted by Cindy
You should be sad about the ones that stayed on the "path" that are sinning. But, they still look the same on the outside.
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When I have heard of them, I have mourned. The thing is that once they are discovered, they do not generally take long to reveal what they were the whole time. Some can continue to have the look, but most do not. All backsliders are mourned during and after the departure.
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Originally Posted by hometown guy
Very true... It takes being right inside and out.
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That is absolutely true. The interior of the cup must be as clean as the exterior.
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12-18-2011, 03:40 PM
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Re: Apology
How did Jesus say the world could tell us apart?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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12-18-2011, 04:37 PM
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Re: Apology
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How did Jesus say the world could tell us apart?
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That we have love one for the other... But that does not mean we can live and do whatever we want as long as we have love for each other... We need to be clean on the inside first that our outside may be clean also
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12-18-2011, 04:56 PM
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Re: Apology
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Originally Posted by hometown guy
That we have love one for the other... But that does not mean we can live and do whatever we want as long as we have love for each other... We need to be clean on the inside first that our outside may be clean also
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But "clean" means different things to different people, even among churches. Wrist length sleeves? Elbow length? Short sleeves? Ankle length dresses? Calf length? Knee length? Is a ring ok? Is a pin ok? What about a watch? Gold or leather????
That's why we have to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. There are major disagreements even among the church folks. Holiness is wanting to be like the Lord. Period.
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12-18-2011, 04:56 PM
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Re: Apology
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Originally Posted by hometown guy
That we have love one for the other... But that does not mean we can live and do whatever we want as long as we have love for each other... We need to be clean on the inside first that our outside may be clean also
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John 7:24
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
-Jesus Christ
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12-18-2011, 04:59 PM
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Re: Apology
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Originally Posted by hometown guy
That we have love one for the other... But that does not mean we can live and do whatever we want as long as we have love for each other... We need to be clean on the inside first that our outside may be clean also
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Yes, for our spirit, not how we dress, or don't dress. I do not believe that we have freedom to dress immodestly, however. But those with arrogant attitudes stick out, and are what most people of the world react negatively to.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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12-18-2011, 05:22 PM
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Re: Apology
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The same could be said for people that stay in an organization.
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Yup
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12-18-2011, 05:28 PM
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Re: Apology
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Originally Posted by Sherri
But "clean" means different things to different people, even among churches. Wrist length sleeves? Elbow length? Short sleeves? Ankle length dresses? Calf length? Knee length? Is a ring ok? Is a pin ok? What about a watch? Gold or leather????
That's why we have to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. There are major disagreements even among the church folks. Holiness is wanting to be like the Lord. Period.
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Amen. I have met wonderful, Arab Christians, in recent travels in the Negev, who were...well, suffice it to say that it took a very open mind (and sealed nose, at first, lol) to begin to see Christ in them. A completely different Christianity, but they were zealous for God, in a way that I am not.
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12-18-2011, 07:10 PM
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Re: Apology
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Originally Posted by Jay
I know that you will disagree, but it seems strange to me that God calls us to be different from the world in all things, but it is said that looking like the sinners will attract them to us. I would say that they followed the elders while they lived, but are now following what they have wanted for many years. The measure was only keep necklines above the cleavage, wear sleeves on shirts and blouses, hemlines are below the knees. That is not 'measuring skirt lengths', and do you blame them if they did not want look like the hippies, bums, and druggies from the 1950s-the present. Image is very imortant to everybody, no matter what others want to say.
When I have heard of them, I have mourned. The thing is that once they are discovered, they do not generally take long to reveal what they were the whole time. Some can continue to have the look, but most do not. All backsliders are mourned during and after the departure.
That is absolutely true. The interior of the cup must be as clean as the exterior.
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I have never heard anybody say that looking like the world will attract them to us. This is a false bogeyman. What I have heard and said myself is we do not need to add extra biblical yokes and burdens on people and old time Pentecost does that a lot with the dress code that you guys think makes you "holy" and "seperate" (I will concede it makes you separate but just not separate in any meaningful way)
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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