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Old 12-09-2011, 08:42 AM
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Re: WHAT!?! No Christmas???

We've been christmas free for 16 years now and I don't have garlic in my soul.

I would have to admit that some who abstain from christmas do appear to have garlic in their soul... but I don't think christmas has anything to do with it. That's just the way they are.

Christmas is no longer a part of our mindset. The other day a christmas commercialism commercial came on and I caught myself thinking... "Christmas isn't over yet?" The only time I even think about it is when I see the commercials or I try to go to the store and I have a DVR so I don't often see the commericals.

I went to Walmart last Saturday to look at the Kindle Fire (I ended up buying my wife a set of Better Homes & Gardens cookware... it's a good thing we don't do christmas or she would have had to wait for a few weeks.)

But... as I was saying... We went to Walmart and after making a few times of circling the parking lot I was thinking "Man... what is the deal with all these people here" and then I remembered... Oh yeah... Christmas isn't over yet.

Also... December 26th I get my usual contemporary Christian music back on the radio. I'm looking forward to that.


But... no garlic. I'm free. My family is free. It's like explaining to a smoker what it's like to be "free" from that cigarette. They don't want to be free and they roll their eyes at you. Or explaining to a man at the bar what it's like to be free from alcohol. They like it... they enjoy it... And so talk of "freedom" from what one enjoys is nonsensical.

When I first refrained from the holiday it was for reasons of doctrine and I'll have to admit that, after 32 years of participating it seemed a bit odd for a few years after that. My parents fought me tooth and nail on the issue. They even called a family meeting earmarked to "Save Christmas". It failed.

But my parents said a few years ago that now that they are free from it I couldn't drag them back kicking and screaming. You'd have to experience it to know what I'm talking about... But I'm happy to be where I am.

Honestly all we really do is not participate in the commercialism that everyone seems to say they don't like. I honor my Christ every day of the year. I see it as nonsensical to have issue with the commercialism and then turn around and participate in it.

I am thankful for my conviction. It is a part of my garlic free soul and it's something I appreciate and hold dear. As I've said before I don't ridicule or even think ill of those who do participate. This is my conviction. It is something God and I have worked out and we're good where we are. In the beginning of this conviction I had no idea of the freedom I would eventually feel when I see others participate in the madness. I wish everyone could be free... or at least feel what I'm talking about for a day or so. Then after understanding both sides they could make a choice on their own. But we're raised up with certain expectations that must be fulfilled. We conjure up the spirit with all the trappings in reaction to the expectations that have been drilled into our minds from birth so there really isn't much of a choice.

But... the only garlic in this house is in my wifes' cooking and she knows how to put it to good use. Even on December 25th.

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Old 12-09-2011, 09:00 AM
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Re: WHAT!?! No Christmas???

So do you make sure you don't help others to participate? Do you avoid anyone who has decorations up? This is actually a serious question.
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:20 AM
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So do you make sure you don't help others to participate? Do you avoid anyone who has decorations up? This is actually a serious question.
No sir. If I go to anyones house and they have decorations up I don't do anything different than I would any other time of the year.

I'm not sure what you're talking about concerning helping others... but I don't do anything more or less for anyone than I would any other time of the year. If anything I do for them ends up helping them in giving gifts etc then that's not a problem with me. Anything I would do to help someone would be for that reason... to help someone.

For instance, if a friend is building something to give someone else for christmas and they need my help building it... I don't have a problem helping them this time of year just as I wouldn't have a problem in March.

I don't view this as some huge spiritual boogey man to be avoided. We simply don't make the usual trappings of christmas a part of our lives.

In a nutshell... I just try to be the same christian this month as I am the other 11. No more. No less. No fear. No avoiding. I just continue to live my life as I always do
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:41 AM
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D4T, I can and do respect your decision to abstain.

For me freedom came when I stopped making lists of things we can't do or won't do because of it's pagan histories etc. It is truly a celebration of the Birth of Christ. A fun, festive celebration with focus on Christ, our families, food. Truly a wonderful time of year.

There are aspects that I still reject... we teach the kids about St Nickolas and accompanying folklore but there is no lying - we keep the fantasy in perspective. Though I must admit, kissing Kristin neath the mistletoe is somewhat magical...

Speaking of garlic, I had some this morning with my deer steak!
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Old 12-09-2011, 09:45 AM
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No sir. If I go to anyones house and they have decorations up I don't do anything different than I would any other time of the year.

I'm not sure what you're talking about concerning helping others... but I don't do anything more or less for anyone than I would any other time of the year. If anything I do for them ends up helping them in giving gifts etc then that's not a problem with me. Anything I would do to help someone would be for that reason... to help someone.

For instance, if a friend is building something to give someone else for christmas and they need my help building it... I don't have a problem helping them this time of year just as I wouldn't have a problem in March.

I don't view this as some huge spiritual boogey man to be avoided. We simply don't make the usual trappings of christmas a part of our lives.

In a nutshell... I just try to be the same christian this month as I am the other 11. No more. No less. No fear. No avoiding. I just continue to live my life as I always do
I guess I should have clarified a bit. I often hear people who claim to not celebrate Christmas say "We just have a family get together and a nice meal" which to me IS celebrating. To complete abstain would be to make a point of doing nothing different on Dec 25th that you wouldn't do on any other day.

I think I understand where your coming from and appreciate the fact that you don't seem to spend the whole month of December being offended at all the Christmas trappings surrounding you, unlike some UC's who make a big show of averting their gaze from anything that they disagree with.
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Old 12-09-2011, 10:08 AM
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I guess I should have clarified a bit. I often hear people who claim to not celebrate Christmas say "We just have a family get together and a nice meal" which to me IS celebrating. To complete abstain would be to make a point of doing nothing different on Dec 25th that you wouldn't do on any other day.

I think I understand where your coming from and appreciate the fact that you don't seem to spend the whole month of December being offended at all the Christmas trappings surrounding you, unlike some UC's who make a big show of averting their gaze from anything that they disagree with.
Most families get together around that time of year and there are several reasons why it works out that way. It largely revolves around the fact that we are off from work and the kids are off from school and so is the rest of the extended family.

So it makes sense to get together around christmas just as it would if everybody got off of work and school on April 15th. It is clearly easier to get together at christmas and at Thanksgiving for these reasons.

So... as I have said... I just don't give the whole process any of my mental capacity. I don't "avoid the very appearance" or anything like that. I just operate as if it isn't a part of my life (which is a truism).

I don't participate... but I'm not a-skeered of it either. It's kind of like what Paul said about eating food offered to idols. I don't participate in the process but I don't find it offensive to use the by products for my good. ie.. the extra days off to get together... stuff that I need going on sale (although you can forget me getting out there on Black Friday... I'm not insane)... the candy that goes on sale after christmas or halloween etc.

There are certain by products that I find no offense in using to benefit my daily life. I just don't participate in the process although if I had a brother who was weak and took offense at me doing these things I would consider my brothers feelings when planning my actions.

I hope this helps.

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Old 12-09-2011, 10:16 AM
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D4T, I can and do respect your decision to abstain.

For me freedom came when I stopped making lists of things we can't do or won't do because of it's pagan histories etc. It is truly a celebration of the Birth of Christ. A fun, festive celebration with focus on Christ, our families, food. Truly a wonderful time of year.

There are aspects that I still reject... we teach the kids about St Nickolas and accompanying folklore but there is no lying - we keep the fantasy in perspective. Though I must admit, kissing Kristin neath the mistletoe is somewhat magical...

Speaking of garlic, I had some this morning with my deer steak!
Yes sir... and I have to admit that I went through that stage as well (the making of lists of do's & don'ts) and I am AT LEAST equally as excited to be free from that as I am to be free from the rest.

To go from celebrating christmas to the large lists of do's & don'ts coupled with condemning my brother who sees things differently is not an improvement except that, for me, it was part of the path that led me to where I am now and I see my "now" as a great blessing.
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Was Jesus born on December 25? Does Jeremiah the prophet say something about fastening a tree to a platform and decking it with silver and gold? Does YHWH say learn not the way of the heathen?
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