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Old 12-06-2011, 11:05 AM
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Re: Another Pastor Raised from the dead!

The greater miracle is that the methodists now believe in miracles... hee hee....
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:07 AM
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The greater miracle is that the methodists now believe in miracles... hee hee....
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:08 PM
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What is my hypothesis that you find absurd? I'm mostly just asking questions, so far. And relating a story we find in the Bible. Didn't think you'd find that absurd.

But now that you have defined "indisputable proof" for me, I definitely have a hypothesis regarding that. To you, indisputable proof is anything that you want to call indisputable truth, on faith. How you choose, I'm not exactly sure, but it seems to be whatever lines up with your interpretation of things in the Bible, for one thing.
Timmy, one of the greatest privileges that those who are yet ignorant (i.e., destitute of knowledge) regarding the many wondrously indescribable truths of the Bible (& this principle is also applicable to everything one encounters in life), is that they're granted the freedom/liberty to ask questions, albeit many fail to recognize it. I'm glad to learn you are not so inclined, but are willing to publicly express your lack of understanding things pertaining to God by asking questions about such important matters. So it's not what I recognize to be your inherent ignorance of the esoteric principles of God's written word that I find absurd, rather it is that I perceive the manner in which you tender such questions about them to be construed as such also reflects your lack of understanding the consequences of your continued rejection of things which I, and others, express to you for your enlightenment.

Absurd - completely unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.

Yes, that's an accurate descriptive word which reflects how I perceive your many corrupt assertions concerning spiritual matters. But because I am also keenly cognizant of the fact that there was a moment in the not too distant past when I was much like you in this regards, I am able to both accept and comprehend (perhaps even better than you might even imagine) why you make the statements which you do.

Unlike you, when a man, to whom I, because of my inherent ignorance, had verbally expressed certain beliefs which were not scripturally sound, informed me that they were amiss, I did not engage him in a debate about the matter. Instead, I recalled the instructions which my Dad gave me while I was yet a young lad - "If you ever encounter a spiritual matter, the answer to which by others you deem to be unacceptable, then pick up the Bible, open it's covers and read. The answer to every question concerning such things are to be found there."

Well, long story shortened - I did that, albeit I was utterly unaware of the manner in which I would determine the answer. I not only read the entire Bible, front to back, several times, but after failing to find that answer I sat down and typed it's every word.... not once, but twice! Yet even after all that the answer I was seeking to find remained elusive. But determined not to give up (knowing that my Dad, who at that time had been dead for many years, would never knowingly lie to me), I persisted.

But what should my next course of action be? Well, I remembered reading that Jesus said there were some things which would not be given without prayer and fasting. Fasting! What did that mean, and how was I to do to accomplish it? Go without food and water for an extended period of time in an effort to prove to God my desire to know the answer? Unbelievable, right? Yes, but true, as I was soon to discover!

And so I began to fast and pray... devoting 72 continuous hours without food or water, and was determined to continue doing so until I received the answer which I sought. And, behold, it came! You see, without even asking for it, while lying atop my bed praying, God gave me the baptism of His Spirit... and I didn't even know what it was when I received it, only learning it's significance when I turned to that same man who had informed me of embracing erroneous beliefs, and he explained it to me by going to that same Bible I had read so often.

You see, Timothy, unlike you, who seems to be so ready to contend with me and others concerning the merits, or truthfulness of the things which God has caused to be written for our enlightenment so that we might learn of that which He requires for reconciliation with Him, I didn't consult with any man for those answers.... I looked to God's written word, when at the beginning I was utterly ignorant of it's great value. At the beginning I, much like yourself, had always believed it's contents to be the surmisings of other mortals like myself.... but oh, how wrong I would soon learn that I had been!

You see, my friend, there were many, many things concerning God and the wondrous "miracles" which He had performed that I, simply stated, entertained serious reservations about their validity. But after encountering Him in such an indescribably powerful manner as I did on that occasion while I lay atop my bed praying, I now know, beyond the shadow of all doubts, that every word in the Bible represents "indisputable" truth! There is an automobile bumper sticker I have which says it best - "God said it and that settles it!" It matters not whether you or I believe that the contents of the Bible are true or not, for our beliefs doesn't change the simple fact that they are that - inerrant truths!

God will never compel one to accept His written word as truth.... that is a personal decision we each must conclude. It is my prayer that you would discontinue the questioning of it's merits, and accept His word as truth, for that is precisely what it is! The search for truth through others means will always end in defeat and despair, but His word is truth!
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:13 PM
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Re: Another Pastor Raised from the dead!

You are apparently not aware that I spent the first 50 years of my life searching and reading the Bible and believing. Will it take another 50 years to finally "get it"?
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Well, long story shortened - I did that, albeit I was utterly unaware of the manner in which I would determine the answer. I not only read the entire Bible, front to back, several times, but after failing to find that answer I sat down and typed it's every word.... not once, but twice! Yet even after all that the answer I was seeking to find remained elusive. But determined not to give up (knowing that my Dad, who at that time had been dead for many years, would never knowingly lie to me), I persisted.
Reminds me of some teachers I had in the past. Of course THEY would have made me type it a hundred times, not just twice.

Perhaps copying it using nothing but a large feather and ink well onto scrolls would have been better?
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:23 PM
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Re: Another Pastor Raised from the dead!

Oh, and by the way, I agree with you in this: if I decide to start believing it, I will start believing it.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:31 PM
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You are apparently not aware that I spent the first 50 years of my life searching and reading the Bible and believing. Will it take another 50 years to finally "get it"?
The fact of the matter, Timmy, is that it need NOT take that long. However, that too is a decision only you can make. Beware though, as these words penned by the great apostle Paul so explicitly assert that there will be those who will be

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. (II Timothy 3:7, KJV)

Ever wonder WHY some, although they expend considerable time in reading the Bible, will be unable to come to the knowledge of the truth? Well, let's allow the language of the Bible to provide the answer

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Perhaps it is that you've not yet learned what it means to fear God. If so, then I would encourage you to think on this matter. seriously!
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:50 PM
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The fact of the matter, Timmy, is that it need NOT take that long. However, that too is a decision only you can make. Beware though, as these words penned by the great apostle Paul so explicitly assert that there will be those who will be

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. (II Timothy 3:7, KJV)

Ever wonder WHY some, although they expend considerable time in reading the Bible, will be unable to come to the knowledge of the truth? Well, let's allow the language of the Bible to provide the answer

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Perhaps it is that you've not yet learned what it means to fear God. If so, then I would encourage you to think on this matter. seriously!
Which meaning of "fear" are you using, here? Being afraid of, or being respectful of?
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Old 12-06-2011, 02:14 PM
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Which meaning of "fear" are you using, here? Being afraid of, or being respectful of?
How about both?

How about just simply being fearful of (the possibility of) having to spend eternity experiencing unrelenting pain and torment in a lake of fire? No food, water, or respite of any kind! What if it is true that this will be the lot of all who reject everything that God has done to make it possible for them to be reconciled to Him? Doesn't the thought of you being compelled to experience such a possibility instill fear in you? It did me! Still does, in fact, which serves to cause me to want to continue to reverence Him, knowing that as long as I do my very best to do that, I shall be honored for it.
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How about both?

How about just simply being fearful of (the possibility of) having to spend eternity experiencing unrelenting pain and torment in a lake of fire? No food, water, or respite of any kind! What if it is true that this will be the lot of all who reject everything that God has done to make it possible for them to be reconciled to Him? Doesn't the thought of you being compelled to experience such a possibility instill fear in you? It did me! Still does, in fact, which serves to cause me to want to continue to reverence Him, knowing that as long as I do my very best to do that, I shall be honored for it.
If I believed in hell, I'd have that fear. My reverence for God may already be "enough", but it's hard to say. You hope you are "doing your very best", and expect to be honored for it. You could be right. Or maybe you should have the fear of being among the many believers to whom Jesus will say "Depart from me".
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