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Old 10-02-2011, 02:38 PM
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At least half of the objections raised in those blogs are straw-men. I have never met a Oneness person who claims consecutive modalism yet this is thrown at us in attempt to connect us to early "heretical" modalists. We are guilty of misrepresentation too, but until they start talking simultaneous modes of existence they are not talking about us at all.

Additionally many Oneness today teach the distinctions between Father and Son are external rather than internal of Christ.

Thus the top two accusations don't stand... that we are consecutive modalists and that all Oneness believes affirm Jesus is Father and Son.
Exactly. I've never come across anyone who believed the Father ceased to be and became the Son who ceased to be and became the Holy Ghost.
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Old 10-02-2011, 02:50 PM
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Exactly. I've never come across anyone who believed the Father ceased to be and became the Son who ceased to be and became the Holy Ghost.
I know of one deluded group at least who at least used to teach there is no Son in Heaven and calls that "preaching a dead man". So there may be very small pockets of people here and there.
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Old 10-02-2011, 03:09 PM
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When I get a call to come minister - The thought never enters my mind - Are you Oneness or Trinitarian! I just go to minister - I don't care who it is! . . .I go and preach The Revelation of the One True & Living God and preach JESUS CHRIST TO THEM and then pray for the sick & afflicted and see God work Miracles. Why is what THEIR doctrine or believe system so important to you guys?
Our concern should not be what THEY believe - it should be the REVELATION & WORD GOD gives US!


Something along the lines of letting God be God!

Period. The end.
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Old 10-02-2011, 03:15 PM
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This subject is very interesting to me also.

For years OPs preached that charismatic churches were of the devil and on their way to hell.

Trinitarians thought OPs were heretics.

What has caused people to change their minds?
I still strongly oppose Trinitarianism. I do believe that they unwittingly believe in three Gods. Heres the problem. Oneness is not all the truth there is. It is my number 1 point of fellowship but there are other things very important for me also.

I came out of Trinitarianism in 1979 and have never been a member of one of them since then. And yet its also been many years since I was a member of a mainline Oneness Church. The teaching is very shallow in general in either group.

Most Apostolics taught Charismatics were on the way to Hell because of the dress code as well as the Oneness. Obviously there are Trins who are more spiritual than Oneness and some Oneness more spiritual than Trins.

That does not change the truth. I think whats happening is Oneness people have been taught very little about Oneness. Even the top so called "scholars" dont understand the things that were taught early on about Oneness in the movement.

Early on I won a good number of Trins to the truth. You almost NEVER heard of Oneness going to Trinity it was the other way around. But NOW its the other way around. Oneness are FALLING in droves.

And I do mean FALLING. My prayer is that the Oneness Churches will finally move on to deeper truths. I dont mean Oneness it is THE GREATEST TRUTH. I mean things like the rapture. Heart purity. The true doctrine of the resurrection.

Many people have left Oneness over the dress code! I have always battled with elements of it but it really stuns me to see people leave Oneness doctrine and accept Trinity because they were "burned" by the standards thing.

Yet the Oneness Preachers have themselves to blame in a way because they have taught unbiblical standards and otherwise shallow doctrine EXCEPT for Oneness and Acts 2:38.

This forum is one of the worst places a person could be if they are trying to hold on to Oneness doctrine. It is attacked here without ceasing.

If you are still Oneness you are doing well. It is a fall to go Trinitarian.

As stated at least to me Oneness is gloriously true! Yet Oneness Churches in the rest of the whole counsel of God are just as shallow as Trinitarian groups.

Instead of digging in and fighting harder over the standards they need about 10 years of teaching on holiness and heart purity, sermon on the mount style.

Dont give up the doctrine that Jesus is the Father. And yet many here who even now think they are Oneness will fight against that very statement.

To me the stuff Atlanta Bishop is saying is way off. If hes never had to argue with a Trin he has obviously never preached to them that Jesus is the Father and the Son. When I came to the truth most of them dropped me like a hot potato. I was not trying to condemn them just trying to teach a better way. I have contended with Trins probably hundreds of times and I dont regret teaching Bible doctrine. I was born to honor Jesus and exalt him to the highest place in the Universe. PERIOD. Peace, Michael

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Old 10-02-2011, 04:20 PM
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

I will also stand for Oneness, Baptism in Jesus Name and the receiving the HG. I will not be moved.

Where I have changed/am changing my view over time is being accepting of others where they are at in the process of knowing Jesus. Some are at repentance, or have received the HG. MTD -You showed me those baptisms on IHOP where they are baptizing in the name of Jesus. How can we be against those whose lives Jesus is working in?
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Old 10-02-2011, 05:05 PM
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

I get a kick out of people that think trinitarians believe in 1 God.

Just because they say they believe in one God does not mean they do.

They say they believe in One God but then say there are 3 persons in the Godhead.

So which is it? Are there 3 persons or not.

Just because you have placed 3 persons in a Godhead does not mean that you all of a sudden believe in One God.

You still have 3 separate and distinct persons according to their false doctrine.

Who cares if the 3 persons is in a Godhead or not. It's still 3 persons.

They're still not believing in One God. That's believing in 3 Gods.

Jesus is not in the Godhead but rather the Godhead is in Jesus. Colossians 2:9

Jesus is the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Redeemer, Councilor, Prince of Peace, etc.
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Old 10-02-2011, 05:19 PM
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

Quite frankly Narrow, it depends on the meaning poured into the word "persons".

If they mean persons similar to human persons then it's problematic. If it means three personas as in "three simultaneous modes of existence" then we have agreement.
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I hear you Brother I'm almost ready to let it go
Makes three of us, Amanah.

I too preach wherever I am asked to preach...and I don't care it's a "trinitarian" church, new age or whatever...because THEY don't determine nor dictate the message that God has given for these times. The message? That Jesus is the One and only answer for the ills of mankind.
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Old 10-02-2011, 05:36 PM
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

Why argue over something that was revealed only by the Grace of God?

Like Paul to the Galatians, neither circumcision or uncircumcision means avails anything...but rather the Cross of Christ and the power of a resurrected life!
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Re: You think Trinitarians accept you?

I think it's an important point beause of how OPs get labeled "Elitest", slammed as "Hate mongers" and railed on for sending everyone else to hell....even on this forum by...go figure, ex-UPcers

Well there are Trinitarians out there that don't believe anyone is going to heaven but them...go figure
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