Who is Leading This Generation?

[MawMaw]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Would it be presumptive of me to say that I am one of those leading this generation?

And just where are you leading them?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Lacey

And just where are you leading them?

To the land of Mordor.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

TD Jakes also has made the statement that homosexuals and muslims could possibly be saved as Jesus said "I have OTHER sheep which are not of this fold." A prominent member of his church (Micheal Irvin) was on the cover of the gay magazine OUT in July and on an article on the inside spoke out in favor of the gay marriage legislation in New York state. Jakes has preached for Joel Osteen (thus endorsing Osteen's watered down unbiblical gospel, even leaning on the pulpit saying "someone take my picture I'm at Lakewood") and was given a brand new BENTLEY by mega church "pastor" Paula White even as she was going througha divorce from Randy White. Not to mention his prosperity gospel and attitude towards consumer driven church even saying on national TV "Jesus is the PRODUCT."

Bishop Jakes has NEVER said anything close to this.

If someone wants to twist what he said into this interpretation, then that is an example of them twisting his intent when he spoke.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Bishop Jakes has NEVER said anything close to this.

If someone wants to twist what he said into this interpretation, then that is an example of them twisting his intent when he spoke.

Jermyn, your keep up with religious issues like you do with political ones-very poorly. This isn't even "new" news. Furthermore the quotes I mentioned above were pretty much verbatim, in fact to Jakes compares the sin of PRACTICING (i.e ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING) in homoesuxality with "being rude to somebody". Listen for yourself, the whole clip is only 2:22, the homosexuality question starts at 1:24:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xL2E10JJE

This doesn't even touch on his comments that strongly indicate he believes Ruth and Naomi had a "lesbian relationship". There is no twisting necessary, here is the quote: "Ruth turns to Naomi and says “I shall not leave thee.” She makes her statement to this woman…that sounds somewhat, somewhere in between poetry, intimacy, and borders on lesbianism. People don’t even know how to explain what Ruth said to Naomi. It makes them uncomfortable. They’re afraid to talk about it. They don’t want to teach on it. Same thing with David and Jonathan…where there were same-sex relationships getting too close, people don’t even know what to say.” ~T D Jakes
Audio available here:http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpr...than-were-gay/

Birds of a feather flock together:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwL1D...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U42ni0BRoUs

"I think that Jesus is the product" @ the 23 second mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omLJT73j6MQ

[Jason B]

JD, take notes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gLmp...feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dexJ...eature=related

JD, pick up this clip at 1:19, send an email to TD Jakes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib1GyZHPGaM

[Jason B]

REALLY how difficult is it just to say this?

Larry King asks John MacArthur the same question he asked Joel Osteen:
(clip is less than 1 and a half minutes)
And he give the answer while sitting beside a catholic priest, a Jew, and a Muslim while being asked the question by an agnostic to boot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgJXWeoB454

Suffer me in my folly one more time. Here is the video continued, pick up @ 1:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivYy-h4vfTA

[Jason B]

Sorry, please excuse my Bro. Scott Hutchinson moment.

[houston]

Long didn't do it, Michael Jackson didn't do it, Jakes didn't say it.

[houston]

It's not Obama's fault.

[Amanah]

Just for clarification, I mentioned TD Jakes because that is the way many who have left UPC roots are heading.

My concern is that we get so far from our roots, that the message is lost.

There has to be a way to leave off the doctrines of men, that make the church look archaic and irrelevant, and yet still hold the precious truth of the Oneness of God and baptism in the name.