Tongues and Interpretation?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

"T&I" will be experienced when it is promoted and desired and expected.

Much of the desire for T&I comes when the ministry is majoring in the minors, and not presenting deep spiritual and practical truths. The folks get restless and hungry for what God desires.

Paul clearly stated that true ministry in the native tonque is the most desirable to impart truths to the Body of Christ.

I disagree. All the gifts will operate when the ministry is balanced. I can assure you we don't major in the minor stuff at my church

You also misrepresent what Paul said. It's sad that to this day even Charismatics and Pentecostals are confused about tongues and interpretation

What Paul did NOT say was he would rather speak in a 10 words of his own than 1000 words of an interpretation

1Co 14:19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

He said he would rather speak few words of his own language than a thousand in tongues that nobody understands. Interpretation is a language we understand

1Co 14:5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.
1Co 14:6 Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?

He isn't dismissing interpretations and he certainly did not say these only occur in churches that major on the minor

That's as bad an excuse for why the gifts are not operating in someone's church as the excuse small churches use for why they are so small being that people just don't want truth.

[houston]

Great post. Paul said that tongues is the gift of least importance.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by houston

Great post. Paul said that tongues is the gift of least importance.

Actually he did not. He did say that he that prophecies is greater than he that speaks in a tongue unless he interpret. Why? So that the church would be edified. In no way did Paul justify that assertion that T&I are for churches that major on the minor lol

Im not a Stoneking fan but I am reminded of his conversation he says he had with an anti-Pentecostal preacher. The preacher was really downing tongues,saying it was the least of all gifts. He was pretty indignant about it till LS asked him "Does anyone speak in tongues in your church?" No..."Has anyone ever spoken in tongues during any of your ministry at your church" no

LS's response was priceless "well you folks are in big trouble if the LEAST of the gifts doesn't even operate"

[houston]

Lol

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I disagree. All the gifts will operate when the ministry is balanced. I can assure you we don't major in the minor stuff at my church

You also misrepresent what Paul said. It's sad that to this day even Charismatics and Pentecostals are confused about tongues and interpretation

What Paul did NOT say was he would rather speak in a 10 words of his own than 1000 words of an interpretation

1Co 14:19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

He said he would rather speak few words of his own language than a thousand in tongues that nobody understands. Interpretation is a language we understand

1Co 14:5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.
1Co 14:6 Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching?

He isn't dismissing interpretations and he certainly did not say these only occur in churches that major on the minor

That's as bad an excuse for why the gifts are not operating in someone's church as the excuse small churches use for why they are so small being that people just don't want truth.

I believe Paul did say that, "even more to prophesy..." which in this context I also believe he is speaking of anointed preaching. I am not against T&I, I deeply desire to hear the word of the Lord.

Functionally, how much do we really see of what Paul declares "unless you bring some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching"? Further, why are tongues needed for this to happen in the church? We heard a GREAT deal of this in our church, but not much tongues.

I am not protesting "T&I", I am troubled by the lack of substance, in this area of the ministry of the church.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

. In no way did Paul justify that assertion that T&I are for churches that major on the minor lol

I didn't say that Paul said that, nor did I mean that that is the way it should be, I said that in many cases that is the way that it is.

I have seen many times in the long past, that out of deep emotional groaning for the things of God, came the explosion of "T&I".

I believe this deep longing came because of a lack of deep expository preaching that satisfies the spiritually hunger of believers.

I don't know if anyone has experienced similar.....or not???

Currently, because I have pursued and found ministry that functions as Paul said, "..some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching..." those deep groaning are satisfied.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I believe Paul did say that, "even more to prophesy..." which in this context I also believe he is speaking of anointed preaching. I am not against T&I, I deeply desire to hear the word of the Lord.

Functionally, how much do we really see of what Paul declares "unless you bring some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching"? Further, why are tongues needed for this to happen in the church? We heard a GREAT deal of this in our church, but not much tongues.

I am not protesting "T&I", I am troubled by the lack of substance, in this area of the ministry of the church.

All we know is Tongues happen according to Paul and when Interpreted it's purpose is to edify the body. Your speculations are unscriptural

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I didn't say that Paul said that, nor did I mean that that is the way it should be, I said that in many cases that is the way that it is.

I have seen many times in the long past, that out of deep emotional groaning for the things of God, came the explosion of "T&I".

I believe this deep longing came because of a lack of deep expository preaching that satisfies the spiritually hunger of believers.

I don't know if anyone has experienced similar.....or not???

Currently, because I have pursued and found ministry that functions as Paul said, "..some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching..." those deep groaning are satisfied.

No Paul did NOT say that lol.

Then you said "I believe"...yet no scripture. That's my point. It's not scripture, it's what YOU believe

[Praxeas]

I've seen this stuff happen in all kinds of different churches. It has more to do with faith and willingness to allow the gifts and be used of the gifts.

Churches where they don't happen don't want them to happen

[houston]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I've seen this stuff happen in all kinds of different churches. It has more to do with faith and willingness to allow the gifts and be used of the gifts.

Churches where they don't happen don't want them to happen

While I agree, imo there are churches that make no room for gifts other than ti.