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Old 06-10-2011, 09:49 PM
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Re: I never believed in Three Gods

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there is nothing wrong in saying distinct persons. The son and Father are distinct persons. They conduct, act and talk with each other as any 2 persons would do. That is not tritheism . The error of oneness view is there is no distinction of person and the One God is acting out 2 roles at the same time, Like a man with a puppet on each hand talking back and forth to each other.

There is so much distinction and Love between the 2 and yes plurality in the scriptures Like we, and Our, that it simple cant be over looked or explained away
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Read what I posted again. I didn't say there was something wrong with saying DISTINCT persons nor did what I quote say that. The word was SEPARATE

Not DISTINCT

SEPARATE
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:14 PM
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Read what I posted again. I didn't say there was something wrong with saying DISTINCT persons nor did what I quote say that. The word was SEPARATE

Not DISTINCT

SEPARATE
my bad im sorry, some times posting into to many topics on to many subject you just get were you do a quick glance
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:30 PM
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Re: I never believed in Three Gods

Okay stupid question but gonna ask anyways. Dont trinitians believe God is the Father God is the Son and God is the Holy Ghost but the Father is NOT the Son and the Son is NOT the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost is NOT the Father? Then onesness believes that God is all three and they r the same all in ONE rite, theres three dieties but all the same anyway u look at it rite?
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:05 PM
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Okay stupid question but gonna ask anyways. Dont trinitians believe God is the Father God is the Son and God is the Holy Ghost but the Father is NOT the Son and the Son is NOT the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost is NOT the Father? Then onesness believes that God is all three and they r the same all in ONE rite, theres three dieties but all the same anyway u look at it rite?
There is One deity expressed 3 different ways, Oneness use the terms Modes while trinitarians use the word Persons.

The argument stims from the wording used. stating three person equal 3 gods, which no trinitarian profess.

They profess 1 God presented in 3 persons. were Oneness presents 1 God 3 manifestations

at one time Oneness pentacostals called themselves the true trinitarians, and this statement was made out of denominational pride. Found in the book of 20Th century pentacostals
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:12 PM
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There is One deity expressed 3 different ways, Oneness use the terms Modes while trinitarians use the word Persons.

The argument stims from the wording used. stating three person equal 3 gods, which no trinitarian profess.

They profess 1 God presented in 3 persons. were Oneness presents 1 God 3 manifestations

at one time Oneness pentacostals called themselves the true trinitarians, and this statement was made out of denominational pride. Found in the book of 20Th century pentacostals
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This is a small article that appeared on page 7 of the December 1948 Pentecostal Herald and was written by Bro. Howard A. Goss who was General Superintendent of the UPC at that time.

GODHEAD

The name of Jesus people teach that there is one true God and this one true God has manifested Himself in the New Testament dispensation especially as Father, Son and Holy Spirit--not three eternally separate, distinct persons or Gods, but three manifestations of the one true God. We believe that we are the true trinitarians because the word trinity means tri-unity--three in one. The people that hold that there are three eternally separate and distinct persons in the Godhead or deity are tritheists which means three Gods or persons.

Those that believe that Jesus Christ was God manifested in the flesh are the true trinitarians. Paul says in Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." 1 John 5:7 says, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Jesus said-"He that hath seen me hath seen the Father--. John 14:9.

The Lord Jesus Christ is Father, Son. and Holy Spirit, so the Lord Jesus Christ is the one true God.

Howard A. Goss.
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This is from pages 2 and 3 of the Manual of the Pentecostal Church Incorporated. I don’t know what year this is from. In 1945 the Pentecostal Church Inc. (PCI) merged with The Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ (PAJC) and formed the United Pentecostal Church (UPC).


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“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:” Romans 1:20

There is one ever-living Eternal God, who is Spirit (Isa. 44:6-8; Mark 12:29; John 4:24; 1 Cor 8:6)

He manifested himself in the Old Testament in various ways and under different names, such as God Elohim, God Almighty, El Shaddai and the “I am the I AM,” Jehovah, and especially Jehovah Lord, the redemptive NAME.

In the New Testament this one true God was manifest in the flesh or in His son, Jesus Christ “For when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth His son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law”; “God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them”; “for in Him (Jesus) dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily”; “For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell”; “and without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

Man is triune, spirit, soul, and body. God is triune, a trinity. Three manifestations of one God, not three eternally distinct persons or Gods, as that is tritheism.

Jesus in His humanity, was man; in His deity, was God. His flesh was the Lamb or sacrifice of God. (Heb 10:10-20).

The Son of God is the only hope of the world. The Man, He is, is the mediator between God and man. (1 Tim 2:5)

God is multiple. That is, He has many names, offices, titles, many manifestations, such as God, Son of God, Son of Man, Lord of All, King, Shepherd, Priest, Holy One, Lamb, Alpha and Omega. He is all and in all. Amen
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my bad im sorry, some times posting into to many topics on to many subject you just get were you do a quick glance
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:31 PM
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Okay stupid question but gonna ask anyways. Dont trinitians believe God is the Father God is the Son and God is the Holy Ghost but the Father is NOT the Son and the Son is NOT the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost is NOT the Father? Then onesness believes that God is all three and they r the same all in ONE rite, theres three dieties but all the same anyway u look at it rite?
trinitarians believe there is One God that is three persons. To use a crude analogy imagine a human body but inside that body are three different individuals sharing that one body,the brain..everything

In Oneness the One God is one individual who became human. He became the Son when He was incarnate or took on a human form

In the Trinity God is One Being (the analogy of a human body) that all three persons share equally
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Hi all! New here. I'm so new, I'm even sure that this is where I would post a topic like this, but here goes.

I was raised baptist and even began my ministry in a small baptist church. I was filled with the Holy Ghost at a very early age (and yes I had evidence-speaking in tongues and I prophesied). It was there that I got a GREAT start and a firm foundation.

I became an Apostolic preacher while in college. I was able to appreciate the strong teachings about holiness, prayer, deliverance..etc. However, they always said "we- Baptist folks" believed in three Gods, and I NEVER did.
Interesting. I was raised non-denominational but didn't believe in three gods. I believed in One God the whole time.
I started going to a oneness church in college. They had no problem with me going to the Baptist church on college Bible study nights (or any other times either), and I never heard any of them say anything tritheistic either.
As a matter of fact, it's only since I left that college town that I've heard more emphasis on the co-equal, co-eternal persons of the Godhead--and that was in Oneness circles (teaching against other faiths) than I ever did in Trinitarian circles. When I moved to get a job in the 90s, I was told that I just hadn't gotten a revelation of oneness when I said it was what I had always believed (even in a Trinitarian church). I've come to the conclusion that I had a revelation of oneness, but they might not have a good understanding of the average Christian's concept of Trinitarianism.
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it is interesting...anyway, i just thought I would share
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