Criticizing Sarah

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Esther

Come on JD really? You fell for all that?

The sad thing is thousands more who read the piece and dont investigate will also fall for it. Obama sheep.

[BeenThinkin]

Shame on you JD for not voting for Obama. You've carried his water better than anyone else on this forum, and yet you didn't vote for him? What gives? You should be ashamed!

[Jason B]

Not going to answer all these "points" b/c its just not worth the time or effort, but just reading through some of it (I confess it wasn't worth reading it all, these random thoughts came to me.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Palin managed to get almost everything wrong in this comment. She clearly was not listening too closely to President Obama’s speech on the Middle East, because otherwise she would have realized that he was not talking about spending more taxpayer dollars.

Obama proposed to forgive up to $1 billion of Egypt’s $3.6 billion debt (money that was spent buying American farm products). The forgiveness, which would take several years, would take the form of a “debt swap,” in which the money saved will be invested in designated programs in Egypt.

The other $1 billion would consist of loan guarantees by the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC), which are structured at no cost to the U.S. taxpayer. So none of this would involve new debt issued by the Treasury.

However you spin it, we are still giving $2 billion to Egypt. Duh.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Under the terms of the 1978 Camp David peace accords between Egypt and Israel, the United States gives about $2 billion in direct aid to Egypt every year, making it one of the largest foreign-aid recipients. But most of this aid — about $1.3 billion a year — is financing to buy U.S. military hardware and services.

Egypt, for instance, has used the U.S.-supplied funds to replace aging Soviet-supplied equipment with at least 220 F-16 aircraft, 880 M1A1 tanks and 36 Apache helicopters. So Egypt ends up with weapons — but the money actually goes to U.S. firms and helps create U.S. jobs.

So we are the enemies of Israel, and also those who subscribe to an Islamic ideology that is at is core anti-American. In a similar we have helped arm the Palestinians and Iranians over the years. Thus our weapons are used to kill Israelites in one way or another, and you see this as a good thing?

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Palin correctly identifies a potential problem for Social Security — that as the Baby Boom generation retires, there will be fewer workers paying into the system. But she overstates the case by calling it a “Ponzi scheme,” in which money from new investors is used to pay off old investors.

Keep voting for Democrats who support abortion. We kill millions of our own each year. Million who would need houses to live in, food to eat, cars to drive, and jobs which would in turn pay into social security. to say nothing of the families they would begin. Abortion seems an obvious problem in the whole potentiel social security collapse.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

“Look at the debt that has been accumulated over the past two years. It is more debt under this president than all those other presidents combined.”

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) is sometimes described as a possible Sarah Palin rival in the presidential sweepstakes. In this case, Palin is virtually repeating a claim for which Bachmann had previously earned Pinocchios.

As we noted then, the numbers simply do not add up.

To keep it simple, we will look at the historical tables on the White House Web site, which lists the debt totals by fiscal year.

The national debt (including bonds held by U.S. government agencies) stood at just under $10 trillion a few months before Obama took office. The United States recently reached the debt ceiling of $14.3 trillion, more than two years after Obama took office. Last time we checked, $4 trillion is much less than $10 trillion.

So you're defending the fact that the National Debt which took 235 years to reach $10 trillion, has increased 40% in 2 years?.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Obama’s stimulus plan was actually $800 billion, not $1 trillion. The bill also included more than $200 billion in immediate tax breaks, so it is incorrect to suggest it was all spending projects.

Right. That extra $13/week on my paycheck for 2 years has really helped.
Well worth the $800 billion stimulus that my grandkids will have to pay for, if they're not renting their houses from China.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

During the Great Depression, the unemployment rate reached 23.6 percent in 1932. In the modern era, the rate topped 9.7 percent in 1982, when Ronald Reagan was president. It reached 9.6 percent in 2010, which is certainly pretty close, but it’s not a record.

Well, under Obama, he's 1/10 of a percentage from tying the highest unemployement rate in American History, sans the Great Depression. Wow. Yipee. Is the presidency now about "moral victories"?

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

“[Look at] the impacts of that [drilling permit] moratorium [in the Gulf of Mexico], where 97 percent of our offshore has been locked up. What we are looking at now is 150,000 barrels less per day next year, and 200,000 barrels per day less being able to be developed from the Gulf the year after. …We are going to be looking at $8 billion a day that we are going to be pouring into foreign countries in order to import that make-up fuel that we are going to need to take place of what we could have gotten out of the Gulf.”

When Palin started talking about oil — and the “drill baby drill” decal over the gas tank of her bus — she became very emphatic, slicing the air and hitting the table with one of her hands. But once again her facts were wrong.

We’re not sure where she comes up with the notion that 97 percent of the offshore area has been “locked up,” though this is a phrase she has used before. In any case, the relevant figure would seem to be the precentage of technically recoverable oil that was affected by the drilling permit moratorium, imposed by the Obama administration after the Deepwater Horizon explosion. The independent Energy Information Agency (EIA) pegs the number at 20 percent (18 billion barrels), with 4 billion barrels in the Gulf of Mexico.

Palin’s figures on the production decline are not far off, but the EIA last month cited the moratorium as a secondary factor in the decline: “EIA expects production from the Federal Gulf of Mexico (GOM) to fall by 130,000 bbl/d in 2011 and by a further 190,000 bbl/d in 2012 because of production declines from existing fields and the impact of last year's drilling moratorium and the subsequent delay in issuing new drilling permits.”

For about the 4th time so far in the op-ed piece, the writer rips Palin only to admit that her "facts" are not really as bad as the op-ed writer suggests. His beef really isn't with her information, it is that He has drunk the Obama kool-aid and is blind. JD were you there with him, playing quarters with the Obama kool aid?


Well, considering all of these "facts" maybe I should vote for Obama. After all he only is forgiving BILLIONs of dollars of debt, but thats not really coming out of the average persons pocket. We're only "selling" weapons to muslims. The debt has't doubled in 2 years, its merely increased by a slim 40%, and unemployements isn't as high yet as it was during the Great Depression. So there!

Nah, don't think I'll be voting for Barack Obama, I don't care if He runs against the local mailman.

[canam]

I wouldnt vote for Barwreck, even if his opponent was the ex wwf wrestler governor, from Minnesota, Jesse Ventura, whose stock reply to anyone in his legislature, who disagreed with him was "well, bleep ya then" He was another idiot elected by uninformed idiots like these interviewed in this vid http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=908_1307174766

[sandie]

Where is JD?
He started this thread, has had all his assertions answered and now all we hear is:

[Jason B]

Bump JD

[Jermyn Davidson]

JASON BADEJO--

The criticisms of Sarah are that she is NOT being accurate at all.

In fact, you have proven that she exaggerates and when she does, people believe it as truth.


I will be back today, if possible to continue this discussion.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

JASON BADEJO--

The criticisms of Sarah are that she is NOT being accurate at all.

In fact, you have proven that she exaggerates and when she does, people believe it as truth.


I will be back today, if possible to continue this discussion.

It all depends on whom one likes and doesn't like.

If a person doesn't like BHO he can't do anything right. If a person likes BHO he can't do anything wrong.

If a person doesn't like Sarah Palin, she can't do anything right. If a person likes Sarah Palin, she can't do anything wrong.

We're not acting rationally here.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Sam

It all depends on whom one likes and doesn't like.

If a person doesn't like BHO he can't do anything right. If a person likes BHO he can't do anything wrong.

If a person doesn't like Sarah Palin, she can't do anything right. If a person likes Sarah Palin, she can't do anything wrong.

We're not acting rationally here.

POD!!!!!

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Sam

It all depends on whom one likes and doesn't like.

If a person doesn't like BHO he can't do anything right. If a person likes BHO he can't do anything wrong.

If a person doesn't like Sarah Palin, she can't do anything right. If a person likes Sarah Palin, she can't do anything wrong.

We're not acting rationally here.

I disagree. I'm hardly a Sarah Palin fan, or one who thinks she can do no wrong.


And I certainly don't think any criticism of Obama is "irrational".