What happened to the body of Jesus

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

That is very confusing. Where in scripture do you get this? Is it because of your theology, not scripture, that you assume he didn't look up and SEE Jesus at the right hand of the Father?

Stephen sees Jesus, and instead of just saying he sees Jesus, he assumes Jesus is in "the place of power" and assumes that the pharisees will understand the seeing Jesus and saying he sees him at the right hand of God they will KNOW that Jesus is in the place of power?

The entirety of scripture uses the phrase RIGHT HAND pover and over again. God's right hand opened the Red Sea and drowned the Egyptians. Do you think God physically had a right hand that reached down and divided the water?

Ex 15:12 Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.

Of course not. The wind blew and the water opened. But it said HIS RIGHT HAND did it. It is a cultural thing much like cultural metaphors we have. We say a person who is faulty and always points the finger at someone else is like "someone who lives in a glass house should nto throw stones." Does that literally mean they live in a glass house? No. But it culturally is understood to say what we know it means.

Do you think there were not cultural metaphors like that in the bible that are outside our awareness? I guess Stephen saw a giant right hand and Jesus standing in the palm.

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God

[Sam]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

I think Stephen saw what he said he saw.

Something like this?

[Pendragon]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Right. How can one be on the right side of one who is everywhere?

So what did Moses see? He saw the backside of something.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Right. How can one be on the right side of one who is everywhere?

Or..since Jesus is said to be on the right hand of the throne and all of heaven IS God's throne, Jesus can't be in heaven anymore.

It never ceases to amaze me how many Trinitarians ignore what their own scholars know that "right hand" is an idiom

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Or..since Jesus is said to be on the right hand of the throne and all of heaven IS God's throne, Jesus can't be in heaven anymore.

It never ceases to amaze me how many Trinitarians ignore what their own scholars know that "right hand" is an idiom

Where did the Trinitarian comment come from? I see it this way, Moses appeared with Jesus, correct? Why can't Jesus, the man that died, be in heaven with God? Isn't this about, "What happened to Jesus' body?"

Again, I just mentioned it was confusing, and I feel like I am being ridiculed for thinking and not just accepting what I have been taught all these years. (Trinitarian???? )

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Do you think there were not cultural metaphors like that in the bible that are outside our awareness? I guess Stephen saw a giant right hand and Jesus standing in the palm.

Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God

Convenient choice of Bible version choice.

Amplified: "And he said, Look! I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing at God's right hand!"

It really doesn't matter to me either way. I don't care if Stephen saw a physical Jesus next to a spirit being that he thought was God or if he saw Jesus and decided to use a metaphor. I was just giving my 2 cents on where Jesus' body is. :-)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

Where did the Trinitarian comment come from?

From me

I see it this way, Moses appeared with Jesus, correct? Why can't Jesus, the man that died, be in heaven with God? Isn't this about, "What happened to Jesus' body?"

Jesus is God. Nobody denies Jesus in His body is in heaven. The problem is when you take "right hand of God" literally to mean Jesus is not God but he does have a body and so does God and Jesus is standing or sitting off to the right hand of God

Again, I just mentioned it was confusing, and I feel like I am being ridiculed for thinking and not just accepting what I have been taught all these years. (Trinitarian???? )

Not ridiculing anyone. Just discussing the facts

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

From me


Jesus is God. Nobody denies Jesus in His body is in heaven. The problem is when you take "right hand of God" literally to mean Jesus is not God but he does have a body and so does God and Jesus is standing or sitting off to the right hand of God


Not ridiculing anyone. Just discussing the facts

I sort of took the "It never ceases to amaze me" me as condescending and assumptive of me since it was in response to what I said. And we aren't really discussing "facts" in my opinion, when the "facts" can be interpreted different ways.

Fact: A car is in the driveway.

Not Fact: That car is brick red. No, to me that car is apple red.

The very "fact" that we can discuss scripture and give opinions to me shows they are not facts, but opinions that feel like facts to us. Because I am not threatened that there are many opinions and I don't have to agree with any of them, I make people uncomfortable and sometimes angry. I hope I don't do that here.

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by acerrak

were did stephen say He saw the Body of Jesus at when he was fixing to get stoned?

Stephen said Jesus was giving him an standing ovation..

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

Convenient choice of Bible version choice.

Amplified: "And he said, Look! I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing at God's right hand!"

It really doesn't matter to me either way. I don't care if Stephen saw a physical Jesus next to a spirit being that he thought was God or if he saw Jesus and decided to use a metaphor. I was just giving my 2 cents on where Jesus' body is. :-)

The point is RIGHT HAND is a biblical manner of speaking of power. It's all through the bible. And it is a fact that God is omnipresent --- everywhere. You cannot stand beside someone who is everywhere.