Baptism

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Are you insinuating that Jesus Christ is NOT the only way to God?

I'm insinuating that people have been healed who know little or nothing about the name of Jesus.

[pastor RICK]

Originally Posted by supertone

My wife was discussing baptism in Jesus' name with one of her Christian friends. She received this e-mail about the subject afterwards. I have my thoughts on how to reply but I thought that I'd see some other responses first. Here is the e-mail below:

'Was having a think and read about our conversation this morning about baptism in the name of Jesus....looked up the verse you were talking about in Acts 2:38 and yes it does say in Jesus Name but when you read the notes about it at the bottom of the page it talks about why it says this and that it is not trying to contradict they Great Commission of Matt 28:19 where it does say in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. In Matt Jesus was expanding on John's baptism and in Acts Peter seems to be emphasising the Jesus part because of who he was talking to and trying to persuade them that Jesus was the messiah and whom they need to believe in and put their trust in. Both seem to be interchangeable according to scriptures from what I can find out. Hope this is helpful'

i wouldnt give much credit to the notes at the bottom of the page ,as to haveing any power over the verses in the bible .
peter told them how to be saved . acts 4;12 there is no other name . JESUS.
they were also baptised saying lord JESUS twice .were commanded to be baptised in the name of the lord also..so are you just going to say LORD WHEN BAPTIZING?
A BANK WONT TAKE A CHECK WITH A NAME ON IT , WHY SHOULD THE LORD OF GLORY TAKE A BAPTISING WITHOUT A NAME . .
hard to belive this is an apostolic site and haveing trouble over this simple doctrine of baptism..IF THE NAME OF JESUS IS GOOD ENOUGH TO PRAY IN ITS GOOD ENOUGH TO BAPTISE IN ALSO..

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by pastor RICK

i wouldnt give much credit to the notes at the bottom of the page ,as to haveing any power over the verses in the bible .
peter told them how to be saved . acts 4;12 there is no other name . JESUS.
they were also baptised saying lord JESUS twice .were commanded to be baptised in the name of the lord also..so are you just going to say LORD WHEN BAPTIZING?
A BANK WONT TAKE A CHECK WITH A NAME ON IT , WHY SHOULD THE LORD OF GLORY TAKE A BAPTISING WITHOUT A NAME . .
hard to belive this is an apostolic site and haveing trouble over this simple doctrine of baptism..IF THE NAME OF JESUS IS GOOD ENOUGH TO PRAY IN ITS GOOD ENOUGH TO BAPTISE IN ALSO..

the check example is lame. banks wont let you withdrawl money on faith alone either.

But its by this very faith that God saves us by his grace.

Its silly thinking your salvation or washing away of Sins is based on what comes out of another mans vocal chords. that isnt bible

Your sins are forgiven Because you call upon the Lord, not what a baptizer says over you

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by pastor RICK

hard to belive this is an apostolic site and haveing trouble over this simple doctrine of baptism..IF THE NAME OF JESUS IS GOOD ENOUGH TO PRAY IN ITS GOOD ENOUGH TO BAPTISE IN ALSO..

Speaking of an apostolic site with problems over Jesus' name baptism, you (no offense intended) do not even believe Jesus is God. That is the greatest apostolic truth there is!

You are right about the notes at the bottom of the pages of the bible. Footnotes are opinions of the publishers and not inspired thoughts from God.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

...You are right about the notes at the bottom of the pages of the bible. Footnotes are opinions of the publishers and not inspired thoughts from God.

unless they are the notes in a Roman Catholic Bible compiled by Bishop Challoner (1691-1781) with an official imprimatur
or
The WAP Thompson Chain Bible with the 32 page insert by David Bernard
http://sales.pentecostalpublishing.c...44080020B266CA


just kidding

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by supertone

My wife was discussing baptism in Jesus' name with one of her Christian friends. She received this e-mail about the subject afterwards. I have my thoughts on how to reply but I thought that I'd see some other responses first. Here is the e-mail below:

'Was having a think and read about our conversation this morning about baptism in the name of Jesus....looked up the verse you were talking about in Acts 2:38 and yes it does say in Jesus Name but when you read the notes about it at the bottom of the page it talks about why it says this and that it is not trying to contradict they Great Commission of Matt 28:19 where it does say in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. In Matt Jesus was expanding on John's baptism and in Acts Peter seems to be emphasising the Jesus part because of who he was talking to and trying to persuade them that Jesus was the messiah and whom they need to believe in and put their trust in. Both seem to be interchangeable according to scriptures from what I can find out. Hope this is helpful'

What notes? lol

The above makes no sense whatsoever. If what Jesus was doing was expanding on John's baptism then why baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Spirit if it's just John's baptism expanded on?

The context tells the truth. Jesus says "All Power is given to ME in heaven and earth"

The greek word there is exousia, meaning authority.

The greek word for name is onoma. It means "name" but as in the English language "name" carries the connotation of authority too. When you do something in someone's name you are doing it by their authority.

Thus Jesus said THEREFORE, of because of the fact that HE has all authority in heaven and earth (Phil 2 the highest name named in heaven and earth)...therefore go and make disciples of Christ by baptizing them in the name or authority of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and that is exactly what the Apostles did. That authority is in the name of Jesus

Php 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,
Php 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Php 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Speaking of an apostolic site with problems over Jesus' name baptism, you (no offense intended) do not even believe Jesus is God. That is the greatest apostolic truth there is!

You are right about the notes at the bottom of the pages of the bible. Footnotes are opinions of the publishers and not inspired thoughts from God.

Yup! Exactly!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

the check example is lame. banks wont let you withdrawl money on faith alone either.

But its by this very faith that God saves us by his grace.

Its silly thinking your salvation or washing away of Sins is based on what comes out of another mans vocal chords. that isnt bible

Your sins are forgiven Because you call upon the Lord, not what a baptizer says over you

I disagree because we are discussing name/authority to do something.

When you sign your name on a check you are giving your authority to withdraw funds

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I disagree because we are discussing name/authority to do something.

When you sign your name on a check you are giving your authority to withdraw funds

Right. One does not preclude the other.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I disagree because we are discussing name/authority to do something.

When you sign your name on a check you are giving your authority to withdraw funds

but according to you oneness way of baptizing itsthe baptizer who is signing the check not the baptizee, so again nothing wrong with some one calling the name of Jesus over you, that however is not washing away your sins.

again it is from the faith that is with in the baptizee, cause if this is the cas and another man besides christ is needed to mediate, how can one work out there own salvation with fear and trembling?

again the greek supports 1st person calling upon the Lord, not a envoking over. Actually the greek is very sepcific in the calling on the name of ther Lord is upon ones own behalf.

so the Baptizee must be envoking the name, to make the baptism valid. we see this in a clear picture of Pauls baptism.