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Old 05-19-2011, 11:48 AM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or

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Notice this same sentence.

I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning someone said it, but it wasn't me.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning I was misquoted.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning he obviously is fat, but I wasn't impolitic enough to say so.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I was talking about someone else.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I merely pointed out that he is wider than he is tall. I might have used the word "stocky.")

There is a positive message in what he said, it's just whether you want to look at it that way or not.
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Old 05-19-2011, 12:19 PM
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I agree with the statement for the reasons bolded above. Whether he was talking about "standards" or not, each has their own convictions, if convictions are to be defined as the will of God in our own personal lives the I agree with the statement in full.

Of course the harsh truth here is what anyone wants to make of it. That will depend on who you are and what attitudes you may have with UPC. Notice this same sentence.

I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning someone said it, but it wasn't me.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning I was misquoted.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning he obviously is fat, but I wasn't impolitic enough to say so.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I was talking about someone else.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I merely pointed out that he is wider than he is tall. I might have used the word "stocky.")

There is a positive message in what he said, it's just whether you want to look at it that way or not.
I get all of that. I just don't think that making a comment such as that with no other context is the wisest move if you want to preserve some unity among those with differing opinions. But honestly, I don't think those that agree with him are really interested in keeping any unity with those that disagree with them on "standard" issues. I think they secretly wish we would all go away so they can label us and then self righteously sniff "We're better than them." Their standards are more important than love. That has been my experience at least.
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Old 05-19-2011, 12:39 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or

Well, it is Twitter after all. You can only say so much with a tweet.

Perhaps that's why some people shouldn't tweet...
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I think they secretly wish we would all go away so they can label us and then self righteously sniff "We're better than them."
I think you think too much.
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I think you think too much.
I think you've never been on this side of the fence.
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Old 05-19-2011, 01:07 PM
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Well, it is Twitter after all. You can only say so much with a tweet.

Perhaps that's why some people shouldn't tweet...
Definitely. Some topics are not appropriate for Twitter, especially ones that are inflammatory and require some context.
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or

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I think you've never been on this side of the fence.
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Definitely. Some topics are not appropriate for Twitter, especially ones that are inflammatory and require some context.

Don't matter which "side of the fence" I'm on, I'm just not that easily "inflamed"

Like anything else, a person is going to read into something based on their current attitude, frame of mind, personal opinion, or past experience. Rarely does one use objectivity.
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or

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He is obviously referring to standards of dress. But when he made the clause at the end saying, "valuing harmonious relationships more than standing for truth and obeying God’s will" he was indicating that that principle is what he uses and applies to the standards issue. I agree with the clause he mentioned. I disagree that the standards he espouses are an issue to be concerned with as per that clause, though. But the basis of his view is the clause, and the clause is right on the button.
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Old 05-19-2011, 02:44 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or

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Don't matter which "side of the fence" I'm on, I'm just not that easily "inflamed"

Like anything else, a person is going to read into something based on their current attitude, frame of mind, personal opinion, or past experience. Rarely does one use objectivity.
I am not inflamed. And while I agree with you that a person may read into statements based on their experience, I still felt the statement was not necessary, or required more explanantion given the climate in the UPC. I am sorry if you don't understand my point.
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or

The other thing that bothers me is, people who no longer believe "The Standards" or no longer believe down to the very last letter the UPC standards or someone else's rigid standards are said to no longer believe in Holiness.

That is two fold. It, on the one hand slams that individual as a loose immoral person when they may not be and on the other makes outward codes of how to look "Holiness" and ignores outward behavior and attitudes as well as the inward change of heart
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