AFF Owner: Apostolic Identity Rooted in Racism?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

NOW is simply practicing what he is preaching.

I agree, he is consistent.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Are any of these labels an attempt to further isolate or separate ourselves from each other?

I don't know but if they are maybe we should RESIST using them ... Hoovie seems to have mixed feelings on Pentecostal and Apostolic too.

If the CEO's not cool with using the brand name then maybe it's time to chuck it.

[DAII]

Honestly ... as defined by the dictionary ... apostolic means relating to the Apostles and we know they followed Christ ... so no issues here ...

Identity means identity ... forum means forum

Although "friends" can a very subjective and highly controversial

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by DAII

Honestly ... as defined by the dictionary ... apostolic means relating to the Apostles and we know they followed Christ ... so no issues here ...

Identity means identity ... forum means forum

Although "friends" can a very subjective and highly controversial

I think maybe his roots are showing. I guess he's the only one that can tell you why he brought the subject up, at this particular time.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Cindy

I think maybe his roots are showing. I guess he's the only one that can tell you why he brought the subject up, at this particular time.

Maybe it's time ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z03SE...eature=related

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I am just surprised the "Apostolic Identity" term gained mainstream acceptance among national Apostolic speakers and writers in the last few years - in spite of it's infamous meaning. I dare say this would not have happened in the 90's.

Flat out FALSEHOOD AND LIE ... Apostolic Identity as used by other apostolics IN THE 1990's...

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Example #1 - Apostolic Identity Ministries:


http://apostolicidentity.tripod.com (site's dates go as far back as 1998, based in Cleveland, Ohio)


Some the content appears "conservative" ... nothing on CI .... however their endorsement linking to ICOF's Victory Foundation ... a charitable foundation created by Bernie Wade ...

As founder of Victory Foundation, Dr. Wade created a charity that helped to turn around the lives of the homeless, drug addicts, prostitutes, single mothers, and others in life-threatening circumstances.

is hardly the cause of a white supremacist group ....


More forthcoming.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Your an interesting character DA.

For those interested in the topic without the spin go to my thread http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=33932

Quite simply, the Identity movement is clearly racist. No question about that at all.

Some also preached Apostolic Identity... "Identity" doctrine with a uniquely Pentecostal/Apostolic flavor.

Seems the movers and shakers (not you DA) behind the new "Apostolic Identity" campaign would have considered this and stuck with Apostolic Distinctive.

My thoughts exactly. When I saw the thread title I thought "Don't you have your own forum to stir up this junk in".

It is wearying.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

My thoughts exactly. When I saw the thread title I thought "Don't you have your own forum to stir up this junk in".

It is wearying.

Thanks for sharing in my Office.

[DAII]

Example 2: Steve Starcher's use of "Apostolic Identity" @ HigherFire

HigherFire was an email discussion forum where the likes of of ILG, Mike Blume, Mark Bassett and BOOM posted on ... from circa 1995-2000 ...

Here Steve Starcher in his visionary piece entitled "The Apostolic Declaration for the Third Millennium" writes about retaining our Apostolic Pentecostal Identity while still fellowshipping with Trinitarians and allowing Apostolics interpret the New Birth and Acts 2:38 in different ways ...

The Apostolic Declaration for the Third
Millennium is a reaffirmation of Apostolic Pentecostal Christian
distinctives and a call for Apostolic Pentecostals to retain their
Apostolic Pentecostal identity as Christendom enters the third
millennium. Please read the Declaration and covenant with Apostolics
throughout the world to make the third millennium an era in which
Christendom is reformed according to an apostolic norm and the world is
evangelized according to the apostolic gospel

Source: http://www.elilabs.com/net/higher-fi...hive/0125.html
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Starcher again using the term "Apostolic Identity" to mean what most of us understand it to mean in AOP circles (October 1998):

Ecumenism does not mean doctrinal unity or the loss of Apostolic
identity. Ecumenism means acknowledging the commonalties of the
Christian faith Apostolic possess with others and engaging in a dialogue
about our differences. Why are Apostolics afraid of such a dialogue? I
suppose it is because to many Apostolics have become so enamored with
the faith and theology of other Christians that they convert!

Source:
http://www.elilabs.com/net/higher-fi...hive/0445.html

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Starcher, March 1999:

>Brother Reed, what I am doing here is building a "Moderate Apostolic"
>identity. I want others, including Trinitarians to view the Apostolic
>faith from a moderate perspective. I am building an identity! Now,
if
>you do not like this then you should get very busy because I am going
to
>be posting a whole lot of "Moderate" articles to the internet and
>challenging your conservative Apostolic identity!

Source: http://www.elilabs.com/net/higher-fi...hive/0214.html


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Starcher, May 1998

I receive criticism
pretty good if it is made by those outside the Apostolic movement
although the Lord has to continually remind me to react according to the
Spirit I possess. But harsh criticisms from Apostolics hurt deeply. I
can present sound intellectual defenses of the the distinctive doctrines
of the Apostolic faith but if I do it in a way that acknowledges other
Christians my motives, Apostolic identity, and salvation are
questioned. But God is binding my wounds and refreshing me with his
Holy Spirit.

Source: http://www.elilabs.com/net/higher-fi...hive/0063.html

Quite frankly, let the record show that the use of Apostolic Identity was used in the 90's by what would be considered an Apostolic liberal in most AOP circles ... with ZERO links to the Christian Identity movement or racism.

What proof do you offer Steven for your aspersions, innuendo and implied accusations?

Where's the baggage or are you selling a bag of goods?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Quite honestly I don't know what you mean by "action".

If someone were to ask my preference, I would say abandon all public branding of Apostolic Identity. Too much baggage with the term.

Abandon it because ...
*cricket, cricket*