Missing Wisconsin Democrats - Page 3

MissBrattified · #21 02-17-2011, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Seascapes

If they stayed, what would the outcome of the vote be? And if they left, what would the outcome be? Yes, they did the right thing for the working middle class of Wisconsin. I believe that they did what they were voted into office to do, and that is...what is best for their constituents.

Now come on, think about it, if you knew that your vote would not help, and your presence would only hurt the working middle class (if your cared about them)...What would you do? You have to admit, that it was a smart move.

In what way are they doing the right thing for the "working middle class of Wisconsin" by avoiding the vote?

Have you actually read the bill? Visit here if you didn't.

The bill will "..require state employees to pay about 5.8% toward their pension (about the private sector national average) and about 12% of their healthcare benefits (about half the private sector national average). These changes will help the state save $30 million in the last three months of the current fiscal year...."

Did you read this part?

"...These changes will help the state fulfill its Medicaid spending on needy families of about $170 million; funding that the previous administration did not have in its budget. It will also allow the state to spend an additional $21 million in the Department of Corrections."

And this is a huge problem how?

Seascapes · #22 02-17-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

I don't agree with you, SS. And they are still being paid with taxpayers money to not do their jobs. I call that theft.

Cindy we all do have our opinions. But if I am seeing the news correctly, their constituents are in the streets in Wisconsin that voted them into office. The firemen, teachers, policemen and the working middle class...did put them into office. These are the folks that are protesting what the governor and the 19 republicans are doing. These folks in the street are the taxpayers.

MissBrattified · #23 02-17-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Seascapes

Well, I don't know if they are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I do know that we are to be like Jesus Christ, and He had compassion for people. Maybe not all republicans believe the same way, and they might just see who they are supporting and remember this when they go to the polls again.

I believe that those 14 democrats are doing what they were voted into office to do, and that is to help the working middle class. If they stayed, it was a sure thing, that it was going to hurt the teachers, firemen and policemen.

Actually, politicians are in office to serve the public in general, regardless of whether they are upper, lower or middle class.

MissBrattified · #24 02-17-2011, 08:06 PM

New Jersey Governor addresses the same type of problem:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...-daniel-foster

Seascapes · #25 02-17-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

In what way are they doing the right thing for the "working middle class of Wisconsin" by avoiding the vote?

Have you actually read the bill? Visit here if you didn't.

The bill will "..require state employees to pay about 5.8% toward their pension (about the private sector national average) and about 12% of their healthcare benefits (about half the private sector national average). These changes will help the state save $30 million in the last three months of the current fiscal year...."

Did you read this part?

"...These changes will help the state fulfill its Medicaid spending on needy families of about $170 million; funding that the previous administration did not have in its budget. It will also allow the state to spend an additional $21 million in the Department of Corrections."

And this is a huge problem how?

The problem is that the governor and the 19 republicans want to cut the working middle class and not touch the wealthy. Read the bill, the pensions that these folks have earned. If you listen to the news, other states have raised the taxes on the rich folks, they wouldn't even miss it. Why can't the governor and the other 19 republicans in Wisconsin do the same? See that is the problem, cut the working middle class, but don't tax the wealthy, that is the republican agenda.

aegsm76 · #26 02-17-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Seascapes

Cindy we all do have our opinions. But if I am seeing the news correctly, their constituents are in the streets in Wisconsin that voted them into office. The firemen, teachers, policemen and the working middle class...did put them into office. These are the folks that are protesting what the governor and the 19 republicans are doing. These folks in the street are the taxpayers.

There are 98,000 teachers in Wisconsin. I am sure they are not happy to be taking a pay cut.
However, many, many private business have had their wages frozen and have had to pay more for their insurance.
We are not on a sustainable path, they good old days of borrowing against the future are drawing to a close.

aegsm76 · #27 02-17-2011, 08:10 PM

SS - it is an amazing fact that as soon as you raise taxes on the rich, they transfer residence to another state.
Every state that has done this has seen a shortfall.
Well, I say every, but I know it is most.
If you want links, I will find them for you.

Seascapes · #28 02-17-2011, 08:10 PM

Republican agenda....Take from the working middle class and give to the poorer class, and let the rich, keep on getting richer and richer, don't take from them by all means.

Cindy · #29 02-17-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Seascapes

Republican agenda....Take from the working middle class and give to the poorer class, and let the rich, keep on getting richer and richer, don't take from them by all means.

You don't think Democrats help their rich friends or the rich the same way?

aegsm76 · #30 02-17-2011, 08:19 PM

SS - I say this with all due respect.
I am a former Democrat.
I am a former union member/steward and an organizer.
Yes, I organized two manufacturing plants for my union.
I voted and worked in Walter Mondale's campaign.
You need to educate yourself more on how the world really works.
We can never, never elevate the poor by dragging down the rich.
The reason?
The poor will keep doing the things that made them poor and the rich will keep doing the things that made them rich.
You remind me of myself when I was 20 and knew the answer to all of the world's problems.
However, I grew out of it.

Please challenge your opinions and thought processes.
That is why I like AFF, because it challenges me on what I believe.