Submit Yourselves! - Page 3

missourimary · #21 02-10-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

not too many fit in the class...love your wife as Christ loved the church....

Thanks, Sis Alvear. I needed to hear that this morning.

Pastor Keith · #22 02-10-2011, 09:05 AM

I think it to be needful to do a study of Honor and it's reward.

A minister/pastor cannot minister in the context of dishonor, Jesus couldn't neither can we.

A saint/believer is wise to learn sub-mission, bring their personal mission under the mission of another.

A minister/pastor attitude is one of service to those under his authority. It is a delicate balance and tension, if healthy then it will work.

While the context is about the Palm Sunday entrance of Jesus into Jerusalem, I believe there is tremendous application in this scripture.

For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

Truthseeker · #23 02-10-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

not to many fit in the class...love your wife as Christ loved the church....

Not to many fit in the class... submit to your husband in everything.

Pressing-On · #24 02-10-2011, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pragmatist

I believe in mutual submission.

Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Ephesisans 5:21

After the precedent, submitting yourselves one to another, Ephesians goes on to explain how each party would accomplish that.

Sister Alvear · #25 02-10-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Not to many fit in the class... submit to your husband in everything.

I hope I can fulfill that. He tells me to get a lot of sermons...ha...

noeticknight · #26 02-10-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

I think it to be needful to do a study of Honor and it's reward.

A minister/pastor cannot minister in the context of dishonor, Jesus couldn't neither can we.

A saint/believer is wise to learn sub-mission, bring their personal mission under the mission of another.

A minister/pastor attitude is one of service to those under his authority. It is a delicate balance and tension, if healthy then it will work.

Could you elaborate more?

What are your definitions of honor/dishonor and reward?

Do you believe that ministers must "learn submission" as well as the "saint/believer"?

Sam · #27 02-10-2011, 01:02 PM

In my opinion

when a husband loves his wife like Christ loves the church

and

when a husband loves, pampers, pets, watches out for, babies, indulges, respects, considers, makes allowances for, and cares for his wife as much as he does for him self then he can expect her to submit.

NotforSale · #28 02-10-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Not to many fit in the class... submit to your husband in everything.

This particular act of obedience has been one of the most abusive traits towards women since the beginning of time.

If you step back in time, you will find that women were expected to obey their husbands in "Everything", leaving the door wide open for a man to manipulate and abuse a woman mentally, and physically, leaving her at the absolute mercy of a dominate male.

Truthseeker, I sense a very strange and unnerving tone in your comments.

In this Country, it was only a few years ago when women had virtually no rights because of this fundamentalist approach to the feminine gender. Without a "Voice", women lived in fear because they had no real ability to take care of themselves.

Other Countries still expect this demand that comes from ancient Tradition, and the results are beyond tragic. I've also watched men in the Church use this leverage from Scripture to strong arm and manipulate their wives. Remember, we are using a Law towards women which support Cultures like the one in this Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6ovYP7xMCo

Pastor Keith · #29 02-10-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by noeticknight

Could you elaborate more?

What are your definitions of honor/dishonor and reward?

Do you believe that ministers must "learn submission" as well as the "saint/believer"?

You bet, I can't figure how ministers demand honor and then can't honor others.

1 Peter 2

13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— 16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God. 17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.

Referring to the Honor given to Gov. Officials

And the reward of that Honor--> Put to silence their ignorant opinions about believers.

Pastor Keith · #30 02-10-2011, 01:54 PM

Another example out of 1 Peter 2

18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. 19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.

For those in service either under a boss or other obligation, when you suffer wrong and continue to honor

The reward---> is you receive credit and get Commendation from God!