LS: " I don't buy all this rape business "

[DAII]

How this man became a rock star in the movement is puzzling ...

[Hoovie]

I do think there is often an innocence lost, and that it may be telling to others.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by DAII

I think he feels many young ladies or older ladies will claim rape to cover for their promiscuity?

I would be more careful with this type of rhetoric ... a consenting encounter could turn into rape ...

You say 98? 12 - 13 years make a diff. Say about twenty years ago, I would think statements similar to this would have been more readily accepted.

[Socialite]

At least they aren't on his Death List.. I mean, "prayer" list.

[Hoovie]

What age is LS? I guess 73-4??

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by DAII

How this man became a rock star in the movement is puzzling ...

DA - he (and others) have woven superstitions and anecdotal stories into doctrine, which appeals to human nature, plays on natural fears and completely dupes the local simpletons. Certain doctrines appeal to people on an emotional level, so they are sort of preprogrammed to accept it as truth. In a way, it's the conservative slant on ear-tickling preaching/teaching.

Simple truths in the Bible get twisted to shore up doctrines of men, and people are too fearful to question it lest they end up with a splintered soul or a sick child due to clipping off a single strand of hair with a pair of fingernail clippers. It's so horribly effective.

One of my former pastors tried to manipulate my best friend by telling her that he had a dream that her 4-year old son had his arm torn off in a farming accident. (They owned a ranch and cattle.) He was trying to stop her and her husband from changing churches. She was horrified--and there's always this niggling doubt left in your head that he could be right, because he played on a mother's worst nightmare. Fortunately, she was able to keep her spine, but others crumble under such pressure.

Ministers are in a unique position of authority and influence over people. They can easily use fears of going to hell or, conversely, a sincere love for God to their own benefit. To make the dynamic more clear, it's like a husband telling his Christian wife that she must obey him because scripture tells her that she has to. She may have previously needed persuading to his point of view, but once he plays the "God card", her love for God has been used as a tool to manipulate her into [immediate and unquestioning] compliance.

Some of the "rock stars" of the movement are celebrities for similar reasons. IMO, they are feared more than they are revered. It's the niggling doubt in way too many folks' head that prevents the Star from being questioned: "What if he's right?"

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

You say 98? 12 - 13 years make a diff. Say about twenty years ago, I would think statements similar to this would have been more readily accepted.

True. Thoughts have changed a LOT in the last 20 years regarding age of consent and statutory rape. I remember my Dad performing a marriage ceremony between a 15 year old girl and an 18 year old boy; her parents gave consent.

Goodness! What were they all thinking? No way is my 15 year old daughter ready to be married and having babies!

[Hoovie]

I am just going to quote this and say amen before your "fear" kicks in for daring to question a managod.

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

DA - he (and others) have woven superstitions and anecdotal stories into doctrine, which appeals to human nature, plays on natural fears and completely dupes the local simpletons. Certain doctrines appeal to people on an emotional level, so they are sort of preprogrammed to accept it as truth. In a way, it's the conservative slant on ear-tickling preaching/teaching.

Simple truths in the Bible get twisted to shore up doctrines of men, and people are too fearful to question it lest they end up with a splintered soul or a sick child due to clipping off a single strand of hair with a pair of fingernail clippers. It's so horribly effective.

One of my former pastors tried to manipulate my best friend by telling her that he had a dream that her 4-year old son had his arm torn off in a farming accident. (They owned a ranch and cattle.) He was trying to stop her and her husband from changing churches. She was horrified--and there's always this niggling doubt left in your head that he could be right, because he played on a mother's worst nightmare. Fortunately, she was able to keep her spine, but others crumble easily under such pressure.

Ministers are in a unique position of authority and influence over people. They can easily use fears of going to hell or, conversely, a sincere love for God to their own benefit. To make the dynamic more clear, it's like a husband telling his Christian wife that she must obey him because scripture tells her that she has to. She may have previously needed persuading to his point of view, but once he plays the "God card", her love for God has been used as a tool to manipulate her into [immediate and unquestioning] compliance.

Some of the "rock stars" of the movement are celebrities for similar reasons. IMO, they are feared more than they are revered. It's the niggling doubt in way too many folks' head that prevents the Star from being questioned: "What if he's right?"

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I am just going to quote this and say amen before your "fear" kicks in for daring to question a managod.

And it always does.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

And it always does.

I struggle as well. Don't wish to lose a healthy respect and indeed reverence for God instituted authority.