Please properly explain Preterism to me - Page 3

Pressing-On · #21 11-30-2010, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

sec, you're a preterist?

I still have some questions, but many things that I have studied make much more sense. Revelation doesn't seem like the last book hanging. That is how futurism makes it seem, at least, it does to me. Tired of hearing everything change when a new idea arises on the scene. I've been turned off by it since the mid-80's. The silly part is that we have pre, post and mid-trib, like no one can figure it out. LOL!

Pressing-On · #22 11-30-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by houston

yep. I posted on a forum that the preterists would be kicked outta the upci if I was the general super. Someone said that couldn't happen... and a yr later... ya'll (we) was booted out. LOL. And now I incorporated some elements of fulfilled eschatology into my beliefs.

Well, they need to stop mixing up the full-preterist and partial preterists. Partial preterists believe that Jesus is going to come back. There is a second coming that they do acknowledge as per I Cor. 15.

Apocrypha · #23 12-01-2010, 07:27 AM

Ill do some study on this weekend when I have the chance to slow down.

How do Partial's teach on Daniels 70 weeks?

mfblume · #24 12-01-2010, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Ill do some study on this weekend when I have the chance to slow down.

How do Partial's teach on Daniels 70 weeks?

We teach there is no gap between the 69th and 70-th weeks. The HE in Dan 9:27 is JESUS, who ministered for 3.5 years and was cut off, thereby ending the validity of sacrifices. To us, the gap between the last two weeks is as stupid as me telling you I will see you in four days, and throwing in 5 years between the 3rd and 4th day that I never told you about!

So the cross occurred in the midst of the 70th week, and since the 70 weeks were FOR ISRAEL, only Jews were saved in the next 3.5 years after the cross. Then the door opened to the Gentiles! So the 70 weeks are totally fulfilled. That means the basis for a future 7 year trib period is gone! The only grounds anyone had for saying a future 7 year trib period is coming is the gap theory in the 70 weeks, and cutting off the 70th week from the first 69 with a gap of thousands of years.

To see the nonsense of the gap theory is the biggest betrayal of what I believe is the error of futurism. Once one sees there is no gap in the 70 weeks, futurism falls, IMHO.

My thoughts anyway!

I have an FAQ section on my website about these questions.

Pressing-On · #25 12-01-2010, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

We teach there is no gap between the 69th and 70-th weeks. The HE in Dan 9:27 is JESUS, who ministered for 3.5 years and was cut off, thereby ending the validity of sacrifices. To us, the gap between the last two weeks is as stupid as me telling you I will see you in four days, and throwing in 5 years between the 3rd and 4th day that I never told you about!

mfblume · #26 12-01-2010, 08:06 AM

. It is laughable, sister. Why say what certain things will occur in 70 weeks, if the gap between the last two weeks is greater by three times than the entire 70 weeks put together? There would be no point in saying ANYTHING will occur in the 70th week. It makes it a joke to say certain things will occur in the 70th week. The fact is that all six events foretold to occur by the end of 70 weeks as are listed in verse 24, without a gap, occurred by the cross in the 70th week.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
~to finish the transgression,
~and to make an end of sins,
~and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
~and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
~and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
~and to anoint the most Holy.

There is New Testament scripture showing all these things were fulfilled by the time the cross occurred, and most of them BY the cross.

Pressing-On · #27 12-01-2010, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

. It is laughable, sister. Why say what certain things will occur in 70 weeks, if the gap between the last two weeks is greater by three times than the entire 70 weeks put together? There would be no point in saying ANYTHING will occur in the 70th week. It makes it a joke to say certain things will occur in the 70th week. The fact is that all six events foretold to occur by the end of 70 weeks as are listed in verse 24, without a gap, occurred by the cross in the 70th week.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
~to finish the transgression,
~and to make an end of sins,
~and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
~and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
~and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
~and to anoint the most Holy.

There is New Testament scripture showing all these things were fulfilled by the time the cross occurred, and most of them BY the cross.

Just by going over your list, I can see that they were fulfilled by the cross. The more I read the OT, the more I see Jesus. That is another reason futurism makes me feel like the Book of Revelation hangs out all by itself - the last book hanging. It doesn't seem to correlate well with the other books and it should.

mfblume · #28 12-01-2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Just by going over your list, I can see that they were fulfilled by the cross. The more I read the OT, the more I see Jesus.

Amen! EVERYTHING points to the cross and Jesus. And futurism, in my estimation, removes a Christo-centric prophecy in Daniel's 70 weeks FROM the cross! That is the reason KINGDOM ESCHATOLOGY (better name for partial preterism) got hold of me so much. THE CROSS made the difference in this view from all others. All the doom and gloom of Revelation and Matthew 24 fell under the canopy of the immediate years following the cross (40 years later -- the one generation who crucified the Lord), and BECAUSE of the cross.

mfblume · #29 12-01-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

yep. I posted on a forum that the preterists would be kicked outta the upci if I was the general super. Someone said that couldn't happen... and a yr later... ya'll (we) was booted out. LOL. And now I incorporated some elements of fulfilled eschatology into my beliefs.

Well, technically they never kicked any preterist out, but made them shut up about it and would not let any others in. But on a district level, they could have and may have been kicked out.

Pressing-On · #30 12-01-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen! EVERYTHING points to the cross and Jesus. And futurism, in my estimation, removes a Christo-centric prophecy in Daniel's 70 weeks FROM the cross! That is the reason KINGDOM ESCHATOLOGY (better name for partial preterism) got hold of me so much. THE CROSS made the difference in this view from all others. All the doom and gloom of Revelation and Matthew 24 fell under the canopy of the immediate years following the cross (40 years later -- the one generation who crucified the Lord), and BECAUSE of the cross.

I think that is what I was feeling, but wasn't actually able, at first, to recognize what was bothering me. When you take away the Cross, the puzzle is incomplete. Other pieces won't fit in to correctly make the picture, so to speak. I don't have it all figured out and won't force those pieces, but some things are more clear - beginning with - the Book of Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ, so that, at least, must be foremost in mind.