So now we fear our government's security measures, instead of the terrorists. Works well for the terrorists doesn't it?
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So now we fear our government's security measures, instead of the terrorists. Works well for the terrorists doesn't it?
Nobody said we fear them. What we are saying is that they are doing things that they are not permitted to do by the Constitution.
The Constitution says that I have the inalienable right to be secure in my person, property & home and that I cannot be searched without proper warrant that specifically mentions me and what they are looking for.
As a matter of fact... Thomas Jefferson said... When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
What you are seeing is not a people who fear the government... but people who do not fear the government.
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Nobody said we fear them. What we are saying is that they are doing things that they are not permitted to do by the Constitution.
The Constitution says that I have the inalienable right to be secure in my person, property & home and that I cannot be searched without proper warrant that specifically mentions me and what they are looking for.
As a matter of fact... Thomas Jefferson said... When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
What you are seeing is not a people who fear the government... but people who do not fear the government.
I meant the fear of losing more personal rights from our government for security reasons. The terrorists have been terrorizing a lot longer than we have been reacting. I am sure they foresaw some of this coming.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
I work in aviation security as a Security Access Coordinator for a local airport. I work closely with the TSA, BDO's, and the screeners. There so manny things that people aren't aware of and that we are not permitted to talk about because it's SSI.
I have one question. Do you want to make it to your destination in one piece?
The strawman argument.
We have for many decades before the TSA came along.
Aquila, you can't justify your self by that false argument. Using fear as a lever to gain power doesn't work with rational people.
Your argument is the same wording the Mafia uses. It would be bad if something happened to your family.
If the people making these decisions had a clue it might not be so bad.
But, they're inconsistent.
While three year olds get traumatized this is in the works:
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From CAIR’s press release:
Special recommendations for Muslim women who wear hijab:
* If you are selected for secondary screening after you go through the metal detector and it does not go off, and “sss” is not written on your boarding pass, ask the TSA officer if the reason you are being selected is because of your head scarf.
* In this situation, you may be asked to submit to a pat-down or to go through a full body scanner. If you are selected for the scanner, you may ask to go through a pat-down instead.
* Before you are patted down, you should remind the TSA officer that they are only supposed to pat down the area in question, in this scenario, your head and neck. They SHOULD NOT subject you to a full-body or partial-body pat-down.
* You may ask to be taken to a private room for the pat-down procedure.
* Instead of the pat-down, you can always request to pat down your own scarf, including head and neck area, and have the officers perform a chemical swipe of your hands.
In February, the Figh Council of North America, a group of Islamic scholars, issued a fatwa, or religious ruling, that full-body scanners violate Islamic law.
I meant the fear of losing more personal rights from our government for security reasons. The terrorists have been terrorizing a lot longer than we have been reacting. I am sure they foresaw some of this coming.
That's just it. My rights aren't the governments to pick and chose which of the inalienable rights they will alienate today under the guise of safety.
Benjamin Franklin had it ever so right.
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
If fear or afraid falls into this situation it is this... I would say to the government "I'm afraid my rights aren't yours to take."
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So I must alienate my inalienable rights if I want to fly?
I wonder if anybody even knows what inalienable means. The concept of inalienable rights is this. These are rights afforded us by God before the country existed and they remain ours and they are owned by us... not granted by the government... and they, therefore, cannot be taken away without due process and proper warrant.
There are no if's, and's or but's.
They are my rights... I own them... God gave them to me... and the government must go through certain specific, required and mandatory steps to even temporarily infringe upon those rights.
But TSA and all the other little minion groups formed under the "oh please... strip me of every right... I don't care... just keep my little booty safe" regime born under the smoke of two fallen towers doesn't even know what these things mean.
I am right... the government is wrong.
But the words of Voltaire remain intact...“It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.”
inalinable is in the declaration not the constitution.
As much as I hate this and demand we get it fixed, Aquila is right. flying is not a right. when you purchace a ticket you agree to the terms set down to fly.
I do believe that while a private company can require very strict terms, I dont think the government has the same rights. our government is to protect us and is bound by the constitution.
So I think there is room here for challenge because the TSA is government.
Further, if these pat downs and magic nekked scanners were actually the best way to stop bad guys, I might be more inclined to agree. but they arent. they are just lazy and invasive methods.
the TSA and this government needs to be stopped.
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So I must alienate my inalienable rights if I want to fly?
I wonder if anybody even knows what inalienable means. The concept of inalienable rights is this. These are rights afforded us by God before the country existed and they remain ours and they are owned by us... not granted by the government... and they, therefore, cannot be taken away without due process and proper warrant.
There are no if's, and's or but's.
They are my rights... I own them... God gave them to me... and the government must go through certain specific, required and mandatory steps to even temporarily infringe upon those rights.
Yes, they are all of our inalienable rights. We can only choose to legally lay down our rights in a given situation voluntarily. When you choose to fly of your own free will and purchase tickets, you’re consenting to the policies and regulations governing the airlines. Just as a corporation has the authority to ban smoking or firearms on their campus, airlines and government has the power to require certain things of you when boarding planes belonging to the airline. It becomes a government issue when lives may be at stake.
It’s like the military… if you don’t want to surrender some of your liberties… don’t sign up. If you don’t want to be searched… don’t fly. It’s simple.
Oh, you can choose to rent a private plane service.
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But TSA and all the other little minion groups formed under the "oh please... strip me of every right... I don't care... just keep my little booty safe" regime born under the smoke of two fallen towers doesn't even know what these things mean.
Over three thousand Americans died that day. Never again is our objective. And it’s harder than it looks to the peace loving passengers that have no idea what we’re protecting them from.
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I am right... the government is wrong.
Really? If you only knew.
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But the words of Voltaire remain intact...“It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.”
Maybe the TSA, BDO’s, FAM’s, and others should take a week’s vacation for a week and allow some local rent a cop agency to just make sure passengers board in an orderly fashion without being searched. Maybe the nightmare that would unfold will wake Americans up to the reality that we’re still at war.
I’m not saying that there have been absolutely no abuses. I’m not saying that perhaps various security agencies could do better to inform the population as to the why’s and how’s. I’m just saying that for the most part, various agencies are doing what has to be done to protect the airways.
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