The Proverbs 11 Thread

[Socialite]

Whether this is about the blessings of living a righteous life (attracting others), a view I prefer, or turning them to the same right living as the "righteous", what should be picked up is that these people aren't "winning" others by persuading them, but by living in a right way.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Socialite

No, it's an actual exegeted version that quite often nails the "message" of what is being said.

Love you you guys enjoy The Message until you disagree... yet I've seen nothing showing WHY you disagree.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I did.

Originally Posted by Socialite

Yes, Prax, you did explain.

Let me make a Prax disclaimer on every post.

Here we go again. Every thread it has to start.

I pointed out one reason why some might disagree with The Message's translation on that verse. Why does every thread and topic have to become personal to you?

You dismissed my entire post on Proverbs 11 as my pre-conceived idea, without actually addressing what I said as to whether there is merit to it...

And here again you try to make this about me personally. Can we, for once, just discuss a verse without making it personal or about certain groups of people? You don't become right about what you think this verse is about by dismissing things as my preconceived theory or by making snide comments aimed at me.

[Praxeas]

It's not about THEM. It's not about the UPC. It's not about Praxeas. It's just a discussion about Proverbs 11. Please.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Here we go again. Every thread it has to start.

I pointed out one reason why some might disagree with The Message's translation on that verse. Why does every thread and topic have to become personal to you?

You dismissed my entire post on Proverbs 11 as my pre-conceived idea, without actually addressing what I said as to whether there is merit to it...

And here again you try to make this about me personally. Can we, for once, just discuss a verse without making it personal or about certain groups of people? You don't become right about what you think this verse is about by dismissing things as my preconceived theory or by making snide comments aimed at me.

Seems to me there is one poster here taking things personal... ahem!

Thanks for citing me...but you forgot to mention it was a reply to this post, by AFF'r Ferd:

Originally Posted by Ferd
The message is nice for conveying some simple concepts but if you are looking to dig down and grasp deep meaning, it isnt the "go to" version

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Not to you directly!

I didn't dismiss your entire idea. I boldened the statement at the end. And you are, yes, taking it personal that I even suggested you may have approached this thread by trying to prove your previously-stated theory into the Text. How dare I.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It's not about THEM. It's not about the UPC. It's not about Praxeas. It's just a discussion about Proverbs 11. Please.

Back to the accusation train.

And you tried to talk to me about wearing panties too tight? Come on, Prax. Completely unfounded comments.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Seems to me there is one poster here taking things personal... ahem!

Thanks for citing me...too bad you forgot to mention it was a reply to this post, by AFF'r Ferd:

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Not to you directly.

I didn't dismiss your entire idea. I boldened the part. And you are, yes, taking it personal that I even suggested you may have approached this thread by trying to prove your previously-stated theory into the Text. How dare I.

lol. you dismissed it with some stuff about pre-conceived ideas. You never said why it was wrong or right. And that was poisoning the well. It does not prove what I said was wrong or right or anything. If you want to do that, be my guest....

Then you took a snide swipe at me simply because in response to your post to Ferd I said that "I did". I just ask that we just have a discussion...like you said was your goal in the other thread. Just a discussion. So let's discuss IT. Ok? please?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Back to the accusation train.

And you tried to talk to me about wearing panties too tight? Come on, Prax. Completely unfounded comments.

Please? Can we just discuss the topic? Not Praxeas or someone else?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

lol. you dismissed it with some stuff about pre-conceived ideas. You never said why it was wrong or right. And that was poisoning the well. It does not prove what I said was wrong or right or anything. If you want to do that, be my guest....

Then you took a snide swipe at me simply because in response to your post to Ferd I said that "I did". I just ask that we just have a discussion...like you said was your goal in the other thread. Just a discussion. So let's discuss IT. Ok? please?

That obviously ticked you off. I'm sorry. I read all that you wrote, including the NET Bible commentary information you you wrote.

You can call it a snide swipe, but the fact is you responded to something personally that wasn't directed to you. Then ironically you accused me of taking everything personal?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please? Can we just discuss the topic? Not Praxeas or someone else?

You inserted yourself.

If I recall the panties remark was yours also.

So what the Hades are you talking about?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

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Back to the scripture - how could one "win souls" in the OT?

If we were to accept the synonymous reading then the answer to your question may be in the context that Prax quoted.

Here we are told of the advantages of being generous and kind. Someone who practices these qualities will no doubt make a few friends over the course of their life. Perhaps this is the intended meaning in "winning a soul" in verse 30.

"He who is generous and kind will 'win friends' (souls) and this is to be considered "wise" behavior.

It's not that the reader here is being told to indoctrinate others; the reader is being told to show kindness.