Cults

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Do you take confessions? I didn't know you were a UPC Father?

You can send penance if you feel that badly.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

While I would acknowledge the thread is about cults, you must understand that Wal-mart has used their power of dominant market-share to influence prices which have put several good companies out of business. It's not as simple as getting great deals at the store.

Good example. I am familiar with Walmart's business model. Tell me, can Walmart make some one sell to them below breakeven prices?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by coadie

What is a cult
Please share some examples.

In the last 2 days, I have seen some churches associated with the cult label.

I think the word is misused and abused for the intent of maligning groups that don't agree with the majority

The word originally meant the same thing as a religious sect, any belief or group that believed in the supernatural

Later it was used to designate mind control groups such as Jim Jones. That is how most Americans think of the word IMO,so when it get's attached to any group just because they don't believe in a certain doctrine I think it's being used with malice intentionally or ignorantly

On that issue of mind control, I do believe there are Oneness churches, individual ones, that are of that genre. I believe there is one in my neighboring city. He has them so jaded on other UPCs that if they ever leave that church over a disagreement with the pastor that person would rather just not go to any church at all.

We have this lady that left that church. The reason was she just got fed up with the pastor. The Pastors wife left to visit her daugher and son in law and granddaughter. The pastor refused her to go...having something to do with the fact that the daughter and son in law left that church for another very conservative church. When the wife returned she came to a house that had the locks changed and the pastor would not let her in. Not knowing where to go she went over to this ladies house for comfort.

She was so shocked and saddened she left that church and started attending our, however she didn't feel right about it having heard all the stuff about how bad our church is and to this day she isn't coming.

We have former members that went through that process but came out of it and recovered and now see how wrong that pastor was. He thinks the best way to keep them there and enduring his abuses is to convince them they can't go anywhere else and be saved

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I think the word is misused and abused for the intent of maligning groups that don't agree with the majority

The word originally meant the same thing as a religious sect, any belief or group that believed in the supernatural

Later it was used to designate mind control groups such as Jim Jones. That is how most Americans think of the word IMO,so when it get's attached to any group just because they don't believe in a certain doctrine I think it's being used with malice intentionally or ignorantly

On that issue of mind control, I do believe there are Oneness churches, individual ones, that are of that genre. I believe there is one in my neighboring city. He has them so jaded on other UPCs that if they ever leave that church over a disagreement with the pastor that person would rather just not go to any church at all.

We have this lady that left that church. The reason was she just got fed up with the pastor. The Pastors wife left to visit her daugher and son in law and granddaughter. The pastor refused her to go...having something to do with the fact that the daughter and son in law left that church for another very conservative church. When the wife returned she came to a house that had the locks changed and the pastor would not let her in. Not knowing where to go she went over to this ladies house for comfort.

She was so shocked and saddened she left that church and started attending our, however she didn't feel right about it having heard all the stuff about how bad our church is and to this day she isn't coming.

We have former members that went through that process but came out of it and recovered and now see how wrong that pastor was. He thinks the best way to keep them there and enduring his abuses is to convince them they can't go anywhere else and be saved

The pastor's wife disobeyed her husband and went to visit her daughter who had left the church, and the pastor had the locks changed so that when she came home she couldn't get back into her own house? Did I understand that correctly? Are the pastor and his wife now separated or divorced or just living together and attending different churches?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sam

The pastor's wife disobeyed her husband and went to visit her daughter who had left the church, and the pastor had the locks changed so that when she came home she couldn't get back into her own house? Did I understand that correctly? Are the pastor and his wife now separated or divorced or just living together and attending different churches?

They are not separated. It was his way of punishing her for visiting her grandchild and she also has health issues

[Pro31:28]

Originally Posted by coadie

What is a cult
Please share some examples.

In the last 2 days, I have seen some churches associated with the cult label.

Codie, why would you ask the above questions and then be rude and condescending to everyone that answers?

[Pro31:28]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I think the word is misused and abused for the intent of maligning groups that don't agree with the majority

The word originally meant the same thing as a religious sect, any belief or group that believed in the supernatural

Later it was used to designate mind control groups such as Jim Jones. That is how most Americans think of the word IMO,so when it get's attached to any group just because they don't believe in a certain doctrine I think it's being used with malice intentionally or ignorantly

On that issue of mind control, I do believe there are Oneness churches, individual ones, that are of that genre. I believe there is one in my neighboring city. He has them so jaded on other UPCs that if they ever leave that church over a disagreement with the pastor that person would rather just not go to any church at all.

We have this lady that left that church. The reason was she just got fed up with the pastor. The Pastors wife left to visit her daugher and son in law and granddaughter. The pastor refused her to go...having something to do with the fact that the daughter and son in law left that church for another very conservative church. When the wife returned she came to a house that had the locks changed and the pastor would not let her in. Not knowing where to go she went over to this ladies house for comfort.

She was so shocked and saddened she left that church and started attending our, however she didn't feel right about it having heard all the stuff about how bad our church is and to this day she isn't coming.

We have former members that went through that process but came out of it and recovered and now see how wrong that pastor was. He thinks the best way to keep them there and enduring his abuses is to convince them they can't go anywhere else and be saved

This happens all too often

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pro31:28

This happens all too often

There are few around here and they are all independent now, thankfully

BTW this church I am told rewrote it's by laws so now the board or the church can't appoint a new pastor in the case the old one is unable to pastor for whatever reason. Instead there are a group of independent churches they have joined with and have a group of elders who will appoint a pastor to that church.

For a long time it was the board that prevented them from leaving the UPC but I guess the pastor somehow replaced many of them with his yes men

[DaffyDuck]

Originally Posted by coadie

Good example. I am familiar with Walmart's business model. Tell me, can Walmart make some one sell to them below breakeven prices?

Well, it depends. I think we have to wait until we see how much BP will spend in the gulf oil spill cleanup. At that point, if the speed limit in Kansas is increased from 70 to 75, I think the mayor of Laramie, Wyoming may run for re-election.

[DaffyDuck]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Really? That's odd because John Sailhamer believes the universe is billions of years old and that a day in Genesis 1 is a 24 hour period.

I've read his writings and honestly, I just don't buy it. When I was a kid, we used to build ramps and try to act like Evil Knievel. If we were successful with our jumps, we would go to the store an buy sweet tarts.