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Re: 2010 UPCI Resolutions
If it is true they will present a resolution empowering districts to further discipline / sanction Pastors who do not preach or adhere to the manual I think there could be a backlash from many, including conservatives, as that would further erode the autonomy of the local church.
As I recall aren't many of the so called "holiness standards" written in the context of verbage like "we recommend" or "we urge" rather than absolutes?
Of course they may limit these new powers to pastors who do not actrively enforce the standards they consider biblical like uncut hair on women, no pants on women, no makeup on women, no jewelry, etc.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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09-03-2010, 08:01 PM
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Re: 2010 UPCI Resolutions
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If it is true they will present a resolution empowering districts to further discipline / sanction Pastors who do not preach or adhere to the manual I think there could be a backlash from many, including conservatives, as that would further erode the autonomy of the local church.
As I recall aren't many of the so called "holiness standards" written in the context of verbage like "we recommend" or "we urge" rather than absolutes?
Of course they may limit these new powers to pastors who do not actrively enforce the standards they consider biblical like uncut hair on women, no pants on women, no makeup on women, no jewelry, etc.
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Si, Si Juan, you made me think of something. If they are going to "discipline" someone for not teaching the standards, etc. would they do something to those that are preaching something over and above the standards? Like something that isn't in the MANual or the HANDbook like Holy-Magic-Hair?
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09-03-2010, 08:06 PM
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Re: 2010 UPCI Resolutions
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First, we called it the Untied Pentecostal Church and, in more recent years, The UPChuck. Hey, just being honest.  |
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Can I just say, with a certain amount of glee in my voice, that as of 1993, I don't give a blue hoot in hades about any of their resolutions. It's SO nice not to have to waste a single minute of my life worrying about this.
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I find these posts offensive personally. Constructive criticism? - bring it on, but please keep the slime to yourself.
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09-03-2010, 08:12 PM
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Re: 2010 UPCI Resolutions
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I find these posts offensive personally. Constructive criticism? - bring it on, but please keep the slime to yourself.
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My apologies and offense wasn't my intent.
I'm just trying to say, if I were ever on the outside looking in and I wanted to destroy a group, whatever that group was, I'd set them off against each other fighting about meaningless things such as this. With them paying so much attention to meaningless points of argument, they'd have no time to get their real job done.
I'm trying to express my personal opinion that these resolutions and their impact are worthless...I feel like that's a constructive thing to say...and I'm thrilled that I don't have to be in the middle of it.
Again, apologies and if I'm still not saying it right, let me know.
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09-03-2010, 09:31 PM
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Re: 2010 UPCI Resolutions
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I made them a new logo.
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09-03-2010, 09:34 PM
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Re: 2010 UPCI Resolutions
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My apologies and offense wasn't my intent.
I'm just trying to say, if I were ever on the outside looking in and I wanted to destroy a group, whatever that group was, I'd set them off against each other fighting about meaningless things such as this. With them paying so much attention to meaningless points of argument, they'd have no time to get their real job done.
I'm trying to express my personal opinion that these resolutions and their impact are worthless...I feel like that's a constructive thing to say...and I'm thrilled that I don't have to be in the middle of it.
Again, apologies and if I'm still not saying it right, let me know.
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Still not saying it right...
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09-03-2010, 09:38 PM
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Re: 2010 UPCI Resolutions
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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith
My apologies and offense wasn't my intent.
I'm just trying to say, if I were ever on the outside looking in and I wanted to destroy a group, whatever that group was, I'd set them off against each other fighting about meaningless things such as this. With them paying so much attention to meaningless points of argument, they'd have no time to get their real job done.
I'm trying to express my personal opinion that these resolutions and their impact are worthless...I feel like that's a constructive thing to say...and I'm thrilled that I don't have to be in the middle of it.
Again, apologies and if I'm still not saying it right, let me know.
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Very well, Please post the resolution in question so we can discuss it.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-03-2010, 09:42 PM
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Re: 2010 UPCI Resolutions
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I'm just trying to say, if I were ever on the outside looking in and I wanted to destroy a group, whatever that group was, I'd set them off against each other fighting about meaningless things such as this. With them paying so much attention to meaningless points of argument, they'd have no time to get their real job done.
I'm trying to express my personal opinion that these resolutions and their impact are worthless...I feel like that's a constructive thing to say...and I'm thrilled that I don't have to be in the middle of it.
Again, apologies and if I'm still not saying it right, let me know.
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Exactly. The UPC believes they are truly "the" church, at lest most of them do. I was in the UPC for 8 years, and then began attending an indepentent onenesss church. One night we had a UPC preacher come, and after service we were talking to him, and he said in the tribulation his church would be protected because they were in the UPC, but out independent church would be "on your own". This is ridiculous, yet it is the mindset of many in the UPC, if not most.
Mr. Smith's makes an extremely valid point. DKB preached in his inuarguration speech how that he believed we were going to see the biggest "apostolic revival" the world has ever see (or something to that effect), yet majoring on minors will continue to dwindle the UPC to nothing. There has been no significant growth in the UPC for years, any growth is offset by churches pulling out.
The only way for the church to have revival is focus on the lost, go into the world and teach all nations (teach them Jesus Christ, not legalism), and the UPC seems more concerned with whether or not someone puts on a pair of shorts to mow the lawn. Sad.
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09-03-2010, 09:45 PM
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Re: 2010 UPCI Resolutions
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I find these posts offensive personally. Constructive criticism? - bring it on, but please keep the slime to yourself.
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That is the intent. Gay marriage and Muslim Mosques are what is called righteousness now.
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09-03-2010, 09:52 PM
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Re: 2010 UPCI Resolutions
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That is the intent. Gay marriage and Muslim Mosques are what is called righteousness now.
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Sounds like muslim mosques are gay, is that what you are trying to convey?
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