Paul Morton, Marvin Winans.... What a preacher!!!

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

Were Norman Wagnor and Bishop Morris Goulder in the same group?

I think M Goulders' son pastors now. donald goulder. And I heard his organist play, Ezra Bufford...That man can play an organ! Whoa!!!

have you ever heard him?

Originally Posted by Thad

It's really hard to pin him down. to be honest i think he tries to appease both sides. his family is steeped in COGIC the roots run very Deep. I think Marvin's Grandfather was the first to start COGIC churches in Detroit which is one of their Major Hubs. Then on the other hand he preached Acts 238 at another conference. someone gave me the copy of the tape.
I think he might baptize in JN but I don't think it's mandatory like we believe.
paul morton is trinatarian im sure you realize

That's sort of like TD Jakes, right? I mean, he claims oneness, but isn't adament about it.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Thad

Yes

Golder was a good preacher you can't deny that Epley

One of the greatest called the Prince of Preachers but Golder in his declining years fellowshipped Trinitarians by that I mean had them preach for him. They lost their way.

[Actaeon]

He had much ability -- little stability

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Actaeon

He had much ability -- little stability

True.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

have you ever heard him?



That's sort of like TD Jakes, right? I mean, he claims oneness, but isn't adament about it.

LadyChocolate - Many of us do not use the terminology that you are posting about. If you would question me of my Theological stand - YOU would say - He is "Oneness" - but I refuse the label. If you would ask Bishop Jakes and just about anyone else that is not in the mainstream "Oneness" movement - they would NOT tell you they were "Oneness". I am NOT a trinitarian and neither is Bishop Jakes - I know exactly what I believe - and all that know me - know I can preach a doctrinal message on the Revelation of Jesus Christ (which is what the "Oneness" movement had as its foundation and what I continue to stand for and believe.) I have baptized thousands in the Name of Jesus Christ around the world - but REFUSE to be labeled as "JESUS ONLY" or "Oneness".
The sad thing to me is - this UPC Bible School -educated in the system - generation - is "Oneness" but has never seen or embraced "The Revelation of Jesus Christ." They simply KNOW the revelation as head knowledge - but really do NOT know who Jesus is.

For me to say I am "Oneness" puts me in the same depressing camp as a neighboring pastor who is so arrogant, mean as a snake and extremely unfriendly and ugly to people. My postings may seem like I am the same - but I can promise you - I am not - I am very passionate when I write - and some have taken it for arrogance or that I "HATE" the UPC and Apostolic brethren. This is FAR from the truth. Every single best friend I have - men I spend time with weekly and talk to daily - all have Apostolic roots, but we refuse to be labeled "Oneness".
To tell you the truth - to me - the word (not the foundation of it) is just redundant and stupid.
"Oneness" carries SO MUCH baggage with it - Like the preacher that spit on the Haymon girl in Colorado, or the UPC in Georgia that preaches against Mickey Mouse watches, colored lip gloss and having and "A" on your ball cap - but has nothing on its rule books about drinking alcohol or tobacco.
It also encompasses David Terrell, Anthony Mangun, Noel Jones, Teklemarian, Kenneth Phillips, TF Tenny, Vaughn Morton, Wade Bass, Norman Wagner, Lee Stoneking, Ex-Boxer George Foreman, the UPC group in California that preaches against over head projectors, radio, and sound tracts (I was there and heard it with my own ears) and Bishop Johnson's split and splinter CULTIC groups in Philadelphia that preach that everyone except them are going to hell. They all claim to be "oneness".

I love COOPER as much as Elder Epley - Thad as much as Steadfast - but I don't know that I would want to be grouped in with any of them to say - now THAT IS EXACTLY what I am!

Why on earth do we need these extra Biblical labels to describe who we are?
I know so many on here are SO PROUD they are ONENESS! But what on earth KIND of Oneness are you?
OK - grab your guns! LOL

[Actaeon]

What a relief! .........

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

LadyChocolate - Many of us do not use the terminology that you are posting about. If you would question me of my Theological stand - YOU would say - He is "Oneness" - but I refuse the label. If you would ask Bishop Jakes and just about anyone else that is not in the mainstream "Oneness" movement - they would NOT tell you they were "Oneness". I am NOT a trinitarian and neither is Bishop Jakes - I know exactly what I believe - and all that know me - know I can preach a doctrinal message on the Revelation of Jesus Christ (which is what the "Oneness" movement had as its foundation and what I continue to stand for and believe.) I have baptized thousands in the Name of Jesus Christ around the world - but REFUSE to be labeled as "JESUS ONLY" or "Oneness".
The sad thing to me is - this UPC Bible School -educated in the system - generation - is "Oneness" but has never seen or embraced "The Revelation of Jesus Christ." They simply KNOW the revelation as head knowledge - but really do NOT know who Jesus is.

For me to say I am "Oneness" puts me in the same depressing camp as a neighboring pastor who is so arrogant, mean as a snake and extremely unfriendly and ugly to people. My postings may seem like I am the same - but I can promise you - I am not - I am very passionate when I write - and some have taken it for arrogance or that I "HATE" the UPC and Apostolic brethren. This is FAR from the truth. Every single best friend I have - men I spend time with weekly and talk to daily - all have Apostolic roots, but we refuse to be labeled "Oneness".
To tell you the truth - to me - the word (not the foundation of it) is just redundant and stupid.
"Oneness" carries SO MUCH baggage with it - Like the preacher that spit on the Haymon girl in Colorado, or the UPC in Georgia that preaches against Mickey Mouse watches, colored lip gloss and having and "A" on your ball cap - but has nothing on its rule books about drinking alcohol or tobacco.
It also encompasses David Terrell, Anthony Mangun, Noel Jones, Teklemarian, Kenneth Phillips, TF Tenny, Vaughn Morton, Wade Bass, Norman Wagner, Lee Stoneking, Ex-Boxer George Foreman, the UPC group in California that preaches against over head projectors, radio, and sound tracts (I was there and heard it with my own ears) and Bishop Johnson's split and splinter CULTIC groups in Philadelphia that preach that everyone except them are going to hell. They all claim to be "oneness".

I love COOPER as much as Elder Epley - Thad as much as Steadfast - but I don't know that I would want to be grouped in with any of them to say - now THAT IS EXACTLY what I am!

Why on earth do we need these extra Biblical labels to describe who we are?
I know so many on here are SO PROUD they are ONENESS! But what on earth KIND of Oneness are you?
OK - grab your guns! LOL

I understand what you are saying.... but I don't lump all oneness men into the same category. In fact, I understand more of what you are saying than I care to reveal on this forum. But there is a separation to me. But I'm not being mean spirited about how or where i put people. Oneness doesn't carry alot of baggage to me. BUT, I know men who i don't want to be associated with. I left a place that hurt many many people and no, they weren't upc. In fact, this upc church has been a healing place for me and believe it or not, they don't have the standards I have lived and still do...even though they don't. But I have found that these people here do have the love of Christ in them and that goes alot farther than how long your skirts have to be. I've seen the mean spirited and many of my friends, along with myself, have wounds that are taking a time to heal...but I can't put all preachers together because for every one bad oneness preacher, there are many others that have the love of Christ.! I wasn't trying to yank your chain, AtlantaBishop.
I'm still very conservative, but a lot more tolerant, i guess. Many would say I've gone liberal, but the liberals would still call me an ultra con. Any more, I don't care what people think of me... I do my best to please God and that's all I care about.....is pleasing God....

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

I understand what you are saying.... but I don't lump all oneness men into the same category. In fact, I understand more of what you are saying than I care to reveal on this forum. But there is a separation to me. But I'm not being mean spirited about how or where i put people. Oneness doesn't carry alot of baggage to me. BUT, I know men who i don't want to be associated with. I left a place that hurt many many people and no, they weren't upc. In fact, this upc church has been a healing place for me and believe it or not, they don't have the standards I have lived and still do...even though they don't. But I have found that these people here do have the love of Christ in them and that goes alot farther than how long your skirts have to be. I've seen the mean spirited and many of my friends, along with myself, have wounds that are taking a time to heal...but I can't put all preachers together because for every one bad oneness preacher, there are many others that have the love of Christ.! I wasn't trying to yank your chain, AtlantaBishop.
I'm still very conservative, but a lot more tolerant, i guess. Many would say I've gone liberal, but the liberals would still call me an ultra con. Any more, I don't care what people think of me... I do my best to please God and that's all I care about.....is pleasing God....

Great post - I think we are about in the same boat! LOL

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Great post - I think we are about in the same boat! LOL

Lol!!! I've become mad over some of the stuff I put up with over the years, but God has a way of working things out. I was so self righteous and only the oneness brethren who believed like I did were going to be saved. Now, I still hold to a lot of my teaching....But somethings are just plain stupid. I mean, my parents attend a upc church and we didn't. Just from what was preached acrossed the pulpit about the upc, my children thought my parents were lost..... how sad! And except for the grace of God, I was one of those self righteous folks. Thank God for deliverance! lol...

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

LadyChocolate - Many of us do not use the terminology that you are posting about. If you would question me of my Theological stand - YOU would say - He is "Oneness" - but I refuse the label. If you would ask Bishop Jakes and just about anyone else that is not in the mainstream "Oneness" movement - they would NOT tell you they were "Oneness". I am NOT a trinitarian and neither is Bishop Jakes - I know exactly what I believe - and all that know me - know I can preach a doctrinal message on the Revelation of Jesus Christ (which is what the "Oneness" movement had as its foundation and what I continue to stand for and believe.) I have baptized thousands in the Name of Jesus Christ around the world - but REFUSE to be labeled as "JESUS ONLY" or "Oneness".
The sad thing to me is - this UPC Bible School -educated in the system - generation - is "Oneness" but has never seen or embraced "The Revelation of Jesus Christ." They simply KNOW the revelation as head knowledge - but really do NOT know who Jesus is.

For me to say I am "Oneness" puts me in the same depressing camp as a neighboring pastor who is so arrogant, mean as a snake and extremely unfriendly and ugly to people. My postings may seem like I am the same - but I can promise you - I am not - I am very passionate when I write - and some have taken it for arrogance or that I "HATE" the UPC and Apostolic brethren. This is FAR from the truth. Every single best friend I have - men I spend time with weekly and talk to daily - all have Apostolic roots, but we refuse to be labeled "Oneness".
To tell you the truth - to me - the word (not the foundation of it) is just redundant and stupid.
"Oneness" carries SO MUCH baggage with it - Like the preacher that spit on the Haymon girl in Colorado, or the UPC in Georgia that preaches against Mickey Mouse watches, colored lip gloss and having and "A" on your ball cap - but has nothing on its rule books about drinking alcohol or tobacco.
It also encompasses David Terrell, Anthony Mangun, Noel Jones, Teklemarian, Kenneth Phillips, TF Tenny, Vaughn Morton, Wade Bass, Norman Wagner, Lee Stoneking, Ex-Boxer George Foreman, the UPC group in California that preaches against over head projectors, radio, and sound tracts (I was there and heard it with my own ears) and Bishop Johnson's split and splinter CULTIC groups in Philadelphia that preach that everyone except them are going to hell. They all claim to be "oneness".

I love COOPER as much as Elder Epley - Thad as much as Steadfast - but I don't know that I would want to be grouped in with any of them to say - now THAT IS EXACTLY what I am!

Why on earth do we need these extra Biblical labels to describe who we are?
I know so many on here are SO PROUD they are ONENESS! But what on earth KIND of Oneness are you?
OK - grab your guns! LOL

Well Iam glad you got that off your chest you must feel much better. Take a break go to Pappadieux and eat a mess of crawfish and come back. There are multitudes of so-called Oneness folks I certainly do not claim and I am Oneness.