Apo.Emergent Changers Catering to "WORLDLINGS" ...

[DAII]

Originally Posted by n david

Funny thing is they make fun and criticize Catholics, Lutherans and others for having ritualistic orthodoxy in their liturgy too.

Steeped in tradition as much as the next guy ....

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

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I say "sing unto the Lord a new song!" Elders don't need to be catered to, they should be mature enough that they are happy to see new people, young people, young couples and young families coming into the church. I don't necessarily like everything that modern worship produces, but neither have I ever liked Southern Gospel Quartet music, "The Great Speckled Bird", black gospel songs that use the same old "pick me up, turned me around, placed my feet on solid ground" lines.

The truth is most of these passionate reactions are because of taste, nostalgia and biases.

"put me up and take my heart and make me happy..... Ya ya ya coco jamboo ya ya hey...."

I agree with you about your personal music tastes. It could have been the fact that the only acceptable music while we were in the church was hymns and Southern gospel that turned me off so much to it.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by DAII

He's a relic still appealing to the arcane, vitriolic writing style of the Apostolic Contender.
He probably thinks long sideburns are of the debbil.

I remember that mag well. A half a dozen or so hard lined UC's who were so loud that the average person thought there must have been thousands of them!

[DAII]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I remember that mag well. A half a dozen or so hard lined UC's who were so loud that the average person thought there must have been thousands of them!

The Apostolic Contention was divisive and a "middle finger" to the affirmation and unity statement.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by DAII

The Apostolic Contention was divisive and a "middle finger" to the affirmation and unity statement.

I know it was published out of Portland, OR and have to wonder how many of those pastors are now either dead or left the UPC to start a wife swapping cult.

[MissBrattified]

You know, I'm not going to take the time to critique this article, because I'm not terribly offended by it.

Just a thought: Sarah did a persuasive essay a couple of weeks ago, and she chose to write about hip-hop lyrics, and how they possibly encourage aggressive, immoral & criminal behavior, in addition to being degrading to women and encouraging disrespect toward women.

I did not shape her outcome beforehand, and allowed her to do deep research, including reading lyrics and watching videos that would normally be off limits. It was carefully supervised for her protection, but she was exposed to some content that she found shocking. We ended up diverging into heavy metal and "horror-core", in addition to hip-hop and rap.

ANYway, in the midst of the research, we came across a study where a researcher had placed 30 boys in three rooms, 10 in each room. (Secular researcher, secular college) She had foosball tables set up in each room. In the first room, the boys played with no music. In the second, there was music playing, but no lyrics. And in the third, there was the same music playing, but with the lyrics. (If I recall correctly, it was heavy metal) Their observations were that in the first room, the behavior was normal, but in the 2nd and 3rd, it was more aggressive and loud. Since the behavior in rooms 2 and 3 were similar, she concluded that it was the music itself that prompted the change in behavior, and not necessarily the lyrics.

We read a report in one of our science magazines about different sounds being used to calm monkeys, and also to get them to behave aggressively or anxiously. The inference was that humans would be affected similarly. We watched a show on the History channel awhile back that showed how drum rhythms were used to bring people into a sort of emotional frenzy during ancient tribal rituals and celebrations.

And, of course, as an Apostolic musician, I KNOW that music can and has been used to manipulate the emotional tone in a church service.

I said all that to say: There is some merit to the idea that certain types of sounds, including in the form of "music" has a direct effect on human behavior. So while older ministers may articulate that point differently, they weren't entirely wrong.

[deacon blues]

We used to call it the Apostolic Offender

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

You know, I'm not going to take the time to critique this article, because I'm not terribly offended by it.

Just a thought: Sarah did a persuasive essay a couple of weeks ago, and she chose to write about hip-hop lyrics, and how they possibly encourage aggressive, immoral & criminal behavior, in addition to being degrading to women and encouraging disrespect toward women.

I did not shape her outcome beforehand, and allowed her to do deep research, including reading lyrics and watching videos that would normally be off limits. It was carefully supervised for her protection, but she was exposed to some content that she found shocking. We ended up diverging into heavy metal and "horror-core", in addition to hip-hop and rap.

ANYway, in the midst of the research, we came across a study where a researcher had placed 30 boys in three rooms, 10 in each room. (Secular researcher, secular college) She had foosball tables set up in each room. In the first room, the boys played with no music. In the second, there was music playing, but no lyrics. And in the third, there was the same music playing, but with the lyrics. (If I recall correctly, it was heavy metal) Their observations were that in the first room, the behavior was normal, but in the 2nd and 3rd, it was more aggressive and loud. Since the behavior in rooms 2 and 3 were similar, she concluded that it was the music itself that prompted the change in behavior, and not necessarily the lyrics.

We read a report in one of our science magazines about different sounds being used to calm monkeys, and also to get them to behave aggressively or anxiously. The inference was that humans would be affected similarly. We watched a show on the History channel awhile back that showed how drum rhythms were used to bring people into a sort of emotional frenzy during ancient tribal rituals and celebrations.

And, of course, as an Apostolic musician, I KNOW that music can and has been used to manipulate the emotional tone in a church service.

I said all that to say: There is some merit to the idea that certain types of sounds, including in the form of "music" has a direct effect on human behavior. So while older ministers may articulate that point differently, they weren't entirely wrong.

Here's a great book that addresses a lot of what you're talking about...

http://www.amazon.com/This-Your-Brai.../dp/0525949690

[pelathais]

Having attended Pentecostal services all of my life I was unaware that there was ever any "form and order to the services."

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Or hippies. Hippies have been out of vogue for sometime.

People have always fought change, ever since the beginning of time.

That in fact is "the mark of the beast" - or the mark of the created thing in its rebellion against the Creator.

Both John and Daniel made this very clear.