IHOP And Born Again

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The point is thats the degree to which Jesus hates sin. No he does not want you to pluck your eye out BUT I believe he would rather you do that than commit a sin. Dont you?

Uh, no.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Uh, no.

Seriously?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Uh, no.

An overcomer would rather die than sin. They love not their lives unto death.

[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev. 12:11

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

An overcomer would rather die than sin. They love not their lives unto death.

[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev. 12:11

I think that you are presenting a false dilemma here.

An overcomer isn't going to maim themselves because they can't overcome sin. They will simply overcome sin.

Jesus was using a figure of speech known as hyperbole when He said that in Matthew 5 and Matthew 18.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think that you are presenting a false dilemma here.

An overcomer isn't going to maim themselves because they can't overcome sin. They will simply overcome sin.

Jesus was using a figure of speech known as hyperbole when He said that in Matthew 5 and Matthew 18.

Yes thats the point. They will overcome sin.

[Sam]

1 john 5:1 says, "If you believe that Jesus is the Christ --that he is God's Son and your Savior-- then you are a child of God."

So, obviously those folks at IHOP are children of God.
They're born again.

Why go on and on about some off the wall idea that water and Spirit baptism are the new birth? Just accept your brothers and sisters who have been born into the family of God. The second part of 1 John 5: 1 says that if you love the Father you love His other children --your siblings also.

People have been preaching Acts 2:38 for years.
What does Acts 2:38 say?
First: Get saved
Then:
2. Get baptized in water
and
3. Receive the promise of the Father

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sam

1 john 5:1 says, "If you believe that Jesus is the Christ --that he is God's Son and your Savior-- then you are a child of God."

So, obviously those folks at IHOP are children of God.
They're born again.

Why go on and on about some off the wall idea that water and Spirit baptism are the new birth? Just accept your brothers and sisters who have been born into the family of God. The second part of 1 John 5: 1 says that if you love the Father you love His other children --your siblings also.

People have been preaching Acts 2:38 for years.
What does Acts 2:38 say?
First: Get saved
Then:
2. Get baptized in water
and
3. Receive the promise of the Father

No Sam it does not first say get saved. It says repent. I go on about them coming into the truth of being born again because its important truth. In a day when Oneness Pentecostals are losing the light more and more and becoming followers of Protestant doctrine its good to see it work the way it should. People leaving error and gaining truth.

[Apocrypha]

This paper covers many of the internal teachings of IHOP. Its pretty extreme, especially their view of the perfection of the saints and the resurrection of the church.

http://www.freewebs.com/thechinnicis...e%20Bickle.pdf

[Apocrypha]

http://www.intotruth.org/kcp/kcp-metro1.htm

This guy spent 8 years with Mike Bickle.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

This paper covers many of the internal teachings of IHOP. Its pretty extreme, especially their view of the perfection of the saints and the resurrection of the church.

http://www.freewebs.com/thechinnicis...e%20Bickle.pdf

Every spiritual teaching looks extreme to someone.