Does Dead Really Mean Dead???

[Charlie Brown]

I used to be on a forum that had manly old time Westlyan folks on it, and got into an email debate with one man who was a member of a Friends group. I would get this man so mad, and then would say, "be careful now that you don't loose your sanctification". hahaha!!!!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

The Amplified is not always the best text to use. Most of the scholars and bible commentaries hold to the belief that Paul was stating that every day of his life, he put his life in jeopardy. It all has to do with the belief some propigated at that time that there was no resurrection.

I understand your viewpoint and there are other verses that agree with that interpretation....Paul had the sentence of death in himself..He had a mindset or attitude that He was ready not only to be in bonds but to die for the name of Jesus Christ. But there are verses in which Paul also teaches He himself dies to his own fleshly desires...I keep under my body and bring it into subjection, they that are Christ have crucified the flesh...so I can agree with your point contextually but "I die daily" can be used as death to self and the flesh also in a figurative sense albeit out of context.

When I see the name Charlie Brown the only thing that comes to mind is ~

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[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Actually there have been onesness groups who have taught Entire Sanctification or a second work of grace doctrine or eradication of the sin nature.
There was a group in Ky. called The Emmanuel Church Of Pentecost or something like that that taught entire sanctification.

A woman founded that group that tells alot!

[Steve Epley]

I forget her name but she had several congregations in Tn. & Ky. called Emmanuel Church of Christ (Oneness Pentecostal). But I remember being in a service where she was and the preacher hit her bobbed hair I don't think she was quite dead or at least it looked as though the old man or woman came alive. She was not happy. But we was!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

crashino ... or crescendo????

A CRASH in the endo.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

Context.


Paul was not saying that he died every day in the way you have read it. The chapter is concerning the resurrection of the dead. What Paul is saying is that he puts his life in jeopardy every day for the gospel....and for what reason, if there is no resurrection.

Finally!!!
Someone quoting this text in its context.
I've heard and seen the "I die daily" quoted so many times through the years and it's always quoted as though Paul was mortifying/killing his flesh every day and not putting his life on the line for the message.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I forget her name but she had several congregations in Tn. & Ky. called Emmanuel Church of Christ (Oneness Pentecostal). But I remember being in a service where she was and the preacher hit her bobbed hair I don't think she was quite dead or at least it looked as though the old man or woman came alive. She was not happy. But we was!

Was it Nina Pierce?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sam

Was it Nina Pierce?

Yes it most certainly was! Sister Nina they called her. Her congregation at Nashville was large. After the scandle it split into several groups.

[Michael The Disciple]

The old man is as dead as your faith says it is.

11: Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom. 6:11

Dying daily to our self is a basic principal of a disciple of Yeshua.

23: And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. Luke 9:23

Sinless perfection is no dream. It is just the reality of living without sin one day at a time by faith.