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Old 04-15-2010, 10:19 PM
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Old 04-15-2010, 10:35 PM
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I have been Pentecostal for over 20 years. Bottom line..I donn't believe it any more.
I have been going through the motions for awhile for the sake of family and friends but am tired.

I believe in God, but the pentecostal god is kinda bogus, he doesn't deliver on their promises.

How do I ditch this religion without hurting everyone I love?
Any time anyone leaves 'the way' there are things that will be said and some of them hurtful. Been there...got the tee shirt.

If this is a serious plee or a serious statement that you have made then you have miles to go. Just being honest. I will promise that it is very important to make sure there are not casualties here. Guard your faith in God like you never have before. Only He will be able to see you through.

You can make it....many of us on here have made it. Some quit well and others left and still have problems from it. You can do it if you just Believe!
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Old 04-15-2010, 10:41 PM
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"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Old 04-15-2010, 11:04 PM
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Re: How do I leave

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I have been Pentecostal for over 20 years. Bottom line..I donn't believe it any more.
I have been going through the motions for awhile for the sake of family and friends but am tired.

I believe in God, but the pentecostal god is kinda bogus, he doesn't deliver on their promises.

How do I ditch this religion without hurting everyone I love?

OEFM... it ain't easy, but you can do it! Get away! Don't do it a little at a time! Make the break. Pray, make up your mind and pray some more. And the thing that helped me as much as anything was when I made up my mind to simply open the Bible and let it say what it says. Don't read it from the prospect of it backing up your religion, denomination or for an argument. You don't have a religion. You have a God!

The problem with talking to "this one" and to "that one" is that "this one" is going to tell you like "this one" believes it and "that one" is going to tell you like "that one" believes it. And then if you talk to your Pentecostal family they are going to put a guilt trip on you and tell it like you know they believe it. Some times we have to work out our own salvation with "fear and trembling." Since 1980 I have not had the first falling out nor argument with any of my family and I have several that are still UPC. (I just don't discuss it with family!) Maintain your integrity and that doesn't mean telling someone off because they don't see it like you do!

When you've made up your mind, again, don't discuss it with your family. Let them know you love them but that for now you're not going to argue about religion. ......2Ti 2:15* Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

One of the problems is that there are more different Pentecostals than you can shake a stick at. Even in the UPC you can find a mixture of different beliefs, standards, doctrines and ideas. That was one of the things that caused me to leave the UPC in 1980. Every church you went to in the district was operating by a different set of rules it seemed. (Yes, I just painted with a broad brush, but the rules were surely many). It just seemed to me that if we were all operating from the same book, (be it Bible or Manual) it might ought to be more similiar than it was, more the same.

Don't get bitter. And discussions with family and friends at this time can bring about bitterness. And another thing that I would encourage you to do is always keep in mind that you could be wrong about something. Don't develop the idea that you know it all and have it all figured out. I'm still figuring out some things and have come to a better understanding for some of the things that I believe by reading on this forum. My feelings were that I didn't want to just make a change to be making a change, nor did I want to go from one error to another error.

Pray and read! Don't read for argument sake. Read for understanding! Keep an open mind! Pray and read! Don't look for me to give you the answer nor anyone else on AFF. If you start collecting doctrine from AFF you're gonna be a messed up dude! There is enough variety (and maybe nuts...Timmy! just kidding Timmy) on this here forum to drive you nuts! (including me!)

I am praying for you and hope that these few words will help you. Love you in Christ! Hope this makes sense!

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Old 04-16-2010, 04:37 AM
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Re: How do I leave

To those who have left the Pentecostal faith: Where did you go? Is it more Biblical from where you came? Consider also what the original Poster actually said. Nothing about "standards" or some Church group hurting him.

He said THE GOD of Pentecostals is bogus and unfaithful.
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Old 04-16-2010, 06:52 AM
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I have been Pentecostal for over 20 years. Bottom line..I donn't believe it any more.
I have been going through the motions for awhile for the sake of family and friends but am tired.

I believe in God, but the pentecostal god is kinda bogus, he doesn't deliver on their promises.

How do I ditch this religion without hurting everyone I love?
Has there been anyone in your life that you reached out too that may have been in the same position you are in at the moment? If you were able to help them understand and continue their walk with Christ, I would reach out to them for strength and support. Your walk is with Christ not Pentecost or a movement...
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Old 04-16-2010, 07:26 AM
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Re: How do I leave

People thought that I had left the Apostolic Faith because I no longer believed:

Water baptism is essential to salvation.
The Holy Ghost Baptism is essential to salvation.
Dress code is essential to salvation.
Unquestioning obedience to a pastor is essential to salvation.
Paying ten percent of one's income to a local church is essential to salvation.

I hadn't left the Apostolic Faith.
Actually, I had re-discovered the Apostolic Faith.

I did leave a performance based religion that was loaded with traditions that negated Scriptural teachings and discovered that the just shall by faith.

"The just shall live by faith"???
What a novel idea.
Didn't someone else say that somewhere?
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Old 04-16-2010, 07:44 AM
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I have been Pentecostal for over 20 years. Bottom line..I donn't believe it any more.
I have been going through the motions for awhile for the sake of family and friends but am tired.

I believe in God, but the pentecostal god is kinda bogus, he doesn't deliver on their promises.

How do I ditch this religion without hurting everyone I love?
Find a quiet and humble house church network and serve the Lord in peace. Your family will not understand, they will become very upset. But in time they will adjust as long as you share your faith and assure them that you still believe.
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Old 04-16-2010, 07:47 AM
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I have been Pentecostal for over 20 years. Bottom line..I donn't believe it any more.
I have been going through the motions for awhile for the sake of family and friends but am tired.

I believe in God, but the pentecostal god is kinda bogus, he doesn't deliver on their promises.

How do I ditch this religion without hurting everyone I love?
Whether or not feelings get hurt will depend upon those close to you. You are making a principled decision and people should respect that, however some may end up feeling threatened by it as well.

If could do it all over again, I'd simply announce to family and friends that I am going to spend the winter at the Mount Athos monastery in Greece. Then, I'd visit Mount Athos (The Self-governed Monastic State of the Holy Mountain), the Island of Delos (always wanted to go there) and maybe some side trips to Egypt and the Holy Land. I would not have shaved or gotten a hair cut the whole time and hint that this was due to some "vow" or another.

Returning home, tanned, scraggly and several pounds lighter I don't really think anyone would be hurt by any other changes or decisions that I had made. Bring back an old book in some forgotten esoteric language and drop hints that it has given you "a whole new outlook on life." I have been using the The Babylonian Dialogue of Pessimism written on a clay tablet in Assyrian cuneiform.

Nobody asks me anything and I'm given all the "space" I need. When I do go to church for dramas and things that the kids are doing I "forget" my hearing aids and just busy myself taking snapshots of the kids having fun.

Alternately, you could just get a weekend job or take some college courses that fill up all your time.

Don't isolate yourself too much from the people who care about you, though. They are only likely to be "hurt" because they feel genuine affection toward you. People like that are often hard to come by.

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Old 04-16-2010, 07:57 AM
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Re: How do I leave

Did RevRandy's post in the JCM thread throw you over the edge?

Been Thinkin's post is spot on!
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