It just depends on what one reads into it. I can accept it as long there is no real expectation of realizing all of these entirely in this present world. Certainly this is true concerning physical healing of our bodies... (Duh!) but also in similar fashion in becoming sin-free spiritually. We are plagued by a less than perfect life daily - even after conversion.
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Perhaps some classes in reading comprehension are in order.
Those of us who say healing is not in the atonement are not saying God doesn't heal. We are saying that God does not heal everyone, for whatever reason. If it was provided for in the atonement then it should be available to all who ask. That clearly is not the case.
I think it's simply a matter of timing. The cross did overcome all the penalty of sin. In the next life we will realize and enjoy those benefits in their entirety. Even today we do to some extent but we are not in heaven.
IF ALL sickness, illness, hurt and pain were magically dispensed from our lives by calling the name of Jesus, then this earth for all practical purposes would be heaven.
I for one am looking for that eternal abode where pain sickness and suffering is obliterated.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
It just depends on what one reads into it. I can accept it as long there is no real expectation of realizing all of these entirely in this present world. Certainly this is true concerning physical healing of our bodies... (Duh!) but also in similar fashion in becoming sin-free spiritually. We are plagued by a less than perfect life daily - even after conversion.
HOOVIE.... BEAUTIFUL BABY!!!!
THE GUY HOLDING HER NEEDS HEALING THOUGH, UGLY AS A MUD FENCE!!!
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IN HEALING CAUSE THAT GUY NEEDS IT!!
Seriously, you are proud as a peacock with that baby!
THE GUY HOLDING HER NEEDS HEALING THOUGH, UGLY AS A MUD FENCE!!!
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IN HEALING CAUSE THAT GUY NEEDS IT!!
Seriously, you are proud as a peacock with that baby!
Lord Bless
Hey thanks a bunch! He IS a MAN child though!
About me... it's the clothes that make me look ugly.... without them I am a fine specimen of artistic rendering. LOL!
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
The doc had checked three times - assuming we hoped for a boy, but assured us we have another girl on the way.
I shared this at church and an elderly lady said, "well ya know sometimes they just can't see that little thingy"
I said, "Well it wasn't all that small, sister!"
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
OK, so everyone agrees that healing doesn't always happen. Nobody seems especially concerned that the same might happen with salvation (sometimes happen, sometimes not, nobody knows why, nobody can predict when it will work or not), whether it was provided in the atonement or not.
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I think it's simply a matter of timing. The cross did overcome all the penalty of sin. In the next life we will realize and enjoy those benefits in their entirety. Even today we do to some extent but we are not in heaven.
IF ALL sickness, illness, hurt and pain were magically dispensed from our lives by calling the name of Jesus, then this earth for all practical purposes would be heaven.
I for one am looking for that eternal abode where pain sickness and suffering is obliterated.
I can buy that, I just don't think healing in Isaiah is about physical healing. Can God heal? Yes. Does he? I think so. But I don't feel that it has anything to do with the atonement. God healed in the OT too.
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"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow." ~Aesop
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