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Old 01-29-2010, 09:12 AM
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I also believe that something powerful happens when there is anointing/laying on of hands.

A minister has hands laid on him many times in his life as is the case for most everyone and the anointing is something that is with a minister daily.

I am speaking of a notion that this anointing increases or changes in some way on the day... or the moment... he is ordained.
I don't guess it's the ordination itself, but the anointing by the leaders. I believe in ceremonies; I think they're Biblical.
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I also believe that something powerful happens when there is anointing/laying on of hands.

A minister has hands laid on him many times in his life as is the case for most everyone and the anointing is something that is with a minister daily.

I am speaking of a notion that this anointing increases or changes in some way on the day... or the moment... he is ordained.
Not sure there is increase in anointing ... but rather we find that giftings are often given by the Spirit through the laying hands ... as we see with Timothy

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Not sure there is increase in anointing ... but rather we find that giftings are often given by the Spirit through the laying hands ... as we see with Timothy

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Absolutely. giftings are absolutely given by the spirit through the laying on of hands. This is Bible.

Not only at "ordination" but at any time God so chooses to do so.
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The word that is translated ordained in the Bible basically means to appoint... to make.

JOhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained (appointed) you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

But we have, for some reason, made the word a new holy place. If one is appointed to be a messenger of God's word that appointment is with him from the beginning of his ministry.

I think we have mystified a very ordinary word.
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Absolutely. giftings are absolutely given by the spirit through the laying on of hands. This is Bible.

Not only at "ordination" but at any time God so chooses to do so.
I think my problem with the tiered level is that somehow the ability to possibly hold higher office or "Perform practically all duties and responsibilities of the ministry" is somehow a gifting given at the ceremony of ordination ... when the biblical ordinations many times deal with various types of leadership.

Sounds more like the workings of denominationalism.
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I don't guess it's the ordination itself, but the anointing by the leaders. I believe in ceremonies; I think they're Biblical.
That is the point I am making. To say this is because of ordination (which simply means... to appoint) is erroneous in my opinion.

Now... if someone were to say that someones ministry changed because of anointing... now that is a different story.
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I think my problem with the tiered level is that somehow the ability to possibly hold higher office is somehow a gifting given at the ceremony of ordination ...

Sounds more like the workings of denominationalism.
Indeed and agreed.

It is also a departure, in my opinion, from the initial intent of the term.

Also... lest someone read my thoughts and think... well you're just jealous... or some similar nonsense.

I am ordained. But I view it as a recognition made on an organizational level and not as something that changed the calling or anointing God has for me.
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I am interested in the biblical basis to what the "breakthrough into a new spiritual dimension" is as described by DKB.
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The fruit appointed or ordained by Christ is John 15 to all his disciples, D4T, is ... ???
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We find appointments or ordination of church deacons, church elders, missionaries, and others throughout Scripture.

Found this article on the topic

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Question: "What does the Bible say about ordination?"

Answer: The modern definition of ordination is “the investiture of clergy” or “the act of granting pastoral authority or sacerdotal power.” Usually, we think of an ordination service as a ceremony in which someone is commissioned or appointed to a position within the church. Often, the ceremony involves the laying on of hands.

However, the biblical definition is a little different. The word ordain in the Bible refers to a setting in place or designation; for example, Joseph was “ordained” as a ruler in Egypt (Acts 7:10); the steward in Jesus’ parable was “ordained” to oversee a household (Matthew 24:45); deacons were “ordained” to serve the Jerusalem church (Acts 6:1-6); and pastors were “ordained” in each city in Crete (Titus 1:5). In none of these cases is the mode of ordination specified, nor is any ceremony detailed; the “ordinations” are simply appointments. The word can even be used negatively, as an appointment to punishment (Luke 12:46).

Acts 13 includes a good example of a ministerial appointment: “While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.’ So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off. The two of them, sent on their way by the Holy Spirit, went down to Seleucia” (vv. 2-4). In this passage, we note some key facts: 1) It is God Himself who calls the men to the ministry and qualifies them with gifts (Acts 20:28; Ephesians 4:11). 2) The members of the church recognize God’s clear leading and embrace it. 3) With prayer and fasting, the church lays hands on Paul and Barnabas to demonstrate their commissioning (cf. Acts 6:6; 1 Timothy 5:22). 4) God works through the church, as both the church and the Spirit are said to “send” the missionaries.

Paul regularly ordained pastors for the churches he planted. He and Barnabas directed the appointment or ordination of elders “in each church” in Galatia (Acts 14:23). He instructed Titus to “appoint elders in every town” on Crete (Titus 1:5). Titus himself had been ordained earlier, when “he was chosen by the churches” (2 Corinthians 8:19). In the above passages, the ordination of elders involves the whole congregation, not just the apostles. The Greek word used in 2 Corinthians 8:19 for Titus’s appointment and in Acts 14:23 for the choosing of the Galatian elders literally means “to stretch forth the hands.” It was a word normally used for the act of voting in the Athenian legislature. Thus, the ordination of church leaders involved a general consensus in the church, if not an official vote. The apostles and the congregations knew whom the Spirit had chosen, and they responded by placing those men in leadership.

When God calls and qualifies a man for the ministry, it will be apparent both to that man and to the rest of the church. The would-be minister will meet the qualifications set forth in 1 Timothy 3:1-16 and Titus 1:5-9, and he will possess a consuming desire to preach (1 Corinthians 9:16). It is the duty of the church elders, together with the congregation, to recognize and accept the calling. After that, a formal commissioning ceremony—an ordination service—is appropriate, though by no means mandatory. The ordination ceremony itself does not confer any special power; it simply gives public recognition to God’s choice of leadership.

http://www.gotquestions.org/ordination.html

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Again the appointment may or may not include giftings ...
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