Evangelist Benincasa Said

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Sam

And, by the time of Jesus and the early church the apostles and preachers were using the Septuagint or LXX or Greek OT.

Most still taught in the Hebrew and Aramaic languages even then.

The Gentiles may have later but those of the Apostles would certantly would have been schooled at the earliest and later in Hebrew.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

and why would it matter the Greek when the Hebrew/Aramaic is more important as it is the source language.

Im usually the one who says that. It certainly is not wrong to use the Greek name. Can anyone who thinks I should use the name preserved in Greek answer the questions I have asked?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

Most still taught in the Hebrew and Aramaic languages even then.

The Gentiles may have later but those of the Apostles would certantly would have been schooled at the earliest and later in Hebrew.

Its my understanding most of the Dead Sea Scrolls are in Hebrew followed by Aramaic then Greek.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

Most still taught in the Hebrew and Aramaic languages even then.

The Gentiles may have later but those of the Apostles would certantly would have been schooled at the earliest and later in Hebrew.

Legalist,

Well since they seems to be little interest in the Greek name here what name do you accept as the original Hebrew/Aramaic?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Mike you want me to answer what? I didn't notice where you answered me.
LXX was 200 years before the birth of Jesus Christ, and 2,000 years after His death burial and resurrection you have the name of Jesus Christ being used.
The Greek is Iesoûs is pronounced EE Sues, while in Latin it pronounced GEE Sue. Hence we have GEE Sus. Now Michael, how about dealing with my original statement that you first referred to? Mike you want me to answer what? I didn't notice where you answered me.

LXX was 200 years before the birth of Jesus Christ, and 2,000 years after His death burial and

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Hi Dom,

The name preserved in the Greek language is Iesous. You want me to call Jesus Iesous?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Iēsoûs is Iesus, which is Jesus. Christians have been baptized in that name for over 2,000 years and counting.

By the way Michael, didn't you call me *Dom* ?

While the insanity of the Hebrew roots movement has confused the name of Jesus, because of the "guess name" of Yashua, Yavahashua, Yoshua, Yeshua, so on and so on. We must consider that the tried and true responce would be to use the name that has been handed down through 2,000 years. Sounds way to easy? Whatever.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Sister Alvear]

Just say Jesus...The Brazilians call me one way, the Americans another but I know they are talking to me...I would guess Jesus knows when we are talking to him..lol..
and I am a person that loves foreign languages but I do not think we have to go back and change Jesus to something that some people cannot even pronounce....

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Just say Jesus...The Brazilians call me one way, the Americans another but I know they are talking to me...I would guess Jesus knows when we are talking to him..lol..
and I am a person that loves foreign languages but I do not think we have to go back and change Jesus to something that some people cannot even pronounce....

No one on this thread has said you or anyone else has to call Jesus anything other than Jesus. Dom said to me in another thread that I should start calling the Lord, Jesus. This is something I already do quite frequently.

[Michael The Disciple]

Dom

Mike, start calling Jesus by the name that was perserved by the Greek language 200 years before His birth, and lasted 2000 years after His death, burial and resurrection.

Ok here is what I am asking.

1. The name preserved in Greek is Iesous. Why are you not calling him by the name you said is preserved? If you can pronounce it as is why does it need to be changed? Isnt that what transliteration is about?

2. Do you think its true that the "s" at the end of the name Iesous was added by men to make it conform to the Greek language? Or do you believe there should be an s at the end of his given name?

As to the LXX what I have heard is that the name Iesous is supposed to be a transliteration for the Hebrew name which appears for the name "Joshua" in the Hebrew. Care to comment?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok here is what I am asking.

1. The name preserved in Greek is Iesous. Why are you not calling him by the name you said is preserved? If you can pronounce it as is why does it need to be changed? Isnt that what transliteration is about?

Mike, the name Iēsoûs is Jesus. The Hebrew and Aramaic is where we tend to slip and slide all over the place. Yesha, Yahshua, Yahoshua, Yoshua, Yahavahsua, Yeshea, so on and so on. Iēsoûs Iesus is Jesus. Way easier to find a primary source for *JESUS*. Then to jump hurdles through the Your Here Where Here guess names.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

2. Do you think its true that the "s" at the end of the name Iesous was added by men to make it conform to the Greek language? Or do you believe there should be an s at the end of his given name?

Could you explain the below for me?

ιησουν ιησους

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

As to the LXX what I have heard is that the name Iesous is supposed to be a transliteration for the Hebrew name which appears for the name "Joshua" in the Hebrew. Care to comment?

The LXX 200 years before Christ. The NT text of Hebrews 4:8 calls Joshua, Jesus.

No need for guess names, you have the NAME it's JESUS.

In Iesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Michael The Disciple]

Dom said

Mike, the name Iēsoûs is Jesus. The Hebrew and Aramaic is where we tend to slip and slide all over the place. Yesha, Yahshua, Yahoshua, Yoshua, Yahavahsua, Yeshea, so on and so on. Iēsoûs Iesus is Jesus. Way easier to find a primary source for *JESUS*. Then to jump hurdles through the Your Here Where Here guess names.

Ok you must then believe the Hebrew Savior was born with a Greek name. Then you are saying that name is the same as what we have in English. You mock the Hebrew/Aramaic and exalt the English name that came many hundreds of years later.

Now is it true that the "s" at the end of Jesus was added by men? I have read that was done because Greek names (male) needed an s on the end.

Why was Jesus called Iesu in times past? Was that his name in Greek? Or was it Iesus? Which was inspired? Which is HIS NAME?

Is it true that Jewish names in our English Bible that start with "J" in the Hebrew started with "Y"?

Did the "I" in old English sound like a Y? These are factors in why I believe as I do.

Mind you I am not mocking the name Jesus. I DO use it. I DO believe it is the highest name in the English language. Many times I have confirmed this.

What I do not believe is that he was ever called it by his family, friends or the Apostles.

I am trying to understand the case for the Greek being a transliteration from the Hebrew/Aramaic. It would be helpful to me in this quest if you give solid answers to my questions not just attacks against this group or that. If you cannot thats ok. Im not going to be mad at anyone for using a name I myself use much of the time.

But remember you are the one who is telling me what name I should use to the exclusion of anything else. I have said no such thing to you. So I feel the burden of proof is on you to convince me that IESOUS was the source name and that it was not a transliteration of an original Hebrew/Aramaic name.