Yeah, we give all politicians an oath to uphold the constitution, etc...how's that working out for ya
I'm just saying that often things are multi-layered and not so simple. Getting out is not always an option. And like I said this is not just a Muslim thing to me, I would be saying the same thing if we had to fight Israel. I think it is something to consider.
Having taken the oath, how would I as a devout Apostolic feel about fighting other devout Apostolics in the birthplace and epicenter of Apostolism(is that a word?). When you factor in the opinion that many have that we should not be there or that most of the people that are dying did not attack us, it leaves a lot of room for legitimate concern that should be addressed IMHO.
Of course, I never expect PO to agree with MHO. LOL
LOL!
Well, I am going to have to cut and run so that I can prepare dinner.
But, my husband and I have talked a bit about civil unrest or a civil war that is rising in this country. We've talked about what we thought the army would do if the gov't called for them to fire on American citizens like at Tiananmen Square.
I think that Apostolics, on this very forum, pit themselves against each other on a number of issues, so I don't see the army doing anything any different.
Maybe it will end like on All Is Quiet on the Western Frontier. We'll be in the trenches, stand to view something of beauty and get shot - dead as a hammer!
Goodness, Ferd has effected my mind today. I better go cook something!
Let me think more on this subject and see if there is some agreement we can come to.
Well, I am going to have to cut and run so that I can prepare dinner.
But, my husband and I have talked a bit about civil unrest or a civil war that is rising in this country. We've talked about what we thought the army would do if the gov't called for them to fire on American citizens like at Tiananmen Square.
I think that Apostolics, on this very forum, pit themselves against each other on a number of issues, so I don't see the army doing anything any different.
Maybe it will end like on All Is Quiet on the Western Frontier. We'll be in the trenches, stand to view something of beauty and get shot - dead as a hammer!
Goodness, Ferd has effected my mind today. I better go cook something!
Let me think more on this subject and see if there is some agreement we can come to.
I had to fight hard against making a "cut and paste" joke to really get you going.
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The aversion of the media to mentioning Islam in connection with Hasan is crumbling. This is becoming less an issue of a man's conflicted psychology and more an issue of the man simply being a terrorist. ABCNews has in interesting article about this now.
The reader comments are as interesting, if not more.
There was no doubt in my mind that he did become a terrorist. He may have been a man who was always an extremist, I do not know. But I do think that it is also possible for conflicted psycholgy to lead to terrorism. In fact, if I had more time I would be interested in looking into situations that may reflect that. Either way, I was not just talking about those who go to the extreme that he did, but about the many other who probably won't.
Sorry if you see my posting now after your reply. I zigged when I meant to zag (lol). It would be interesting, and quite a gesture of good will, if the Muslim community would start bringing to light those within their own ranks that they know are holding traitorous alliances.
I was having a discussion in another place about whether there are legitimate conflicts that an American soldier with Arabic and Muslim backgrounds would have that we need to take into consideration. Disclaimer: I know some on AFF so let me just get this out of the way: I am not in any way looking to defend, minimize, or justify the shootings at Fort Hood or any other type of attack like this.
However, I do think that there is sufficient enough legitimate concern to look into it. Here is a post I made in that discussion:
I think it is something to consider. I would imagine that we would have conflicted soldiers who are practicing Jews if we were ever fighting against Isreal. The issue is that not only is it an ethnic connection, but a religious one as well. Both of those can be powerful connections.
When you factor in that, like in all wars, there are innocent casualties and that many people are conflicted about our right to be involved in some of the situations and our blanket support of Isreal, I think it is a discussion that needs to be had.
Everyone going in understands that their job could entail war against other nations. So if they have issues they should never join in the first place. They were not being honest therefore when they enlisted
The issue of not fighting other muslims: Muslims fight other muslims all the time, Muslims kill muslims in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and other places. And on the issue of the recent events...why would his conflict with not wanting to fight other muslims make him murder people that had no control over whether or not he did? He should have rather been insubordiate and gone to the brig than be a murderer.
Any war with any nation could involve muslims of either nation.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Could this not be said also in terms of ourselves ? How would our troops respond if some of the states activated their National Guard troops for the purpose of Civil War against the Federal Government ? Or if the American people did rise up against the government could our troops stand up and fight the armed citizens ?
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
Sorry if you see my posting now after your reply. I zigged when I meant to zag (lol). It would be interesting, and quite a gesture of good will, if the Muslim community would start bringing to light those within their own ranks that they know are holding traitorous alliances.
Just popping in to say that this is where the greatest conflict arises and why the American people cannot trust the fact that there may be some loyal Muslims. We just don't know - at the end of the day.
Someone, in the Muslim community, needs to stand up against these people. If they don't have a strong voice, then they are looked upon as ALL guilty. We are made to not trust any of them.
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