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11-04-2009, 11:22 AM
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Re: The most controversial pastor in North America
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Me, either! I've been  listening to preachers try to compare it to Christ and the church over the years.
The most embarrassing sermon I EVER heard was about "Making Love to Jesus", (I don't know if that was the actual title) and I will not name the minister, but it was at a conference, and he used Song of Solomon as one of his references. He compared human anatomy and sex acts to our relationship with God. It was WAYYYY off base. |
I don't know what that person preached but all things declare the glory of God... including procreation.
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11-04-2009, 11:22 AM
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Re: The most controversial pastor in North America
I REALLY like Mark Driscoll. I don't understand how someone so clear headed could repeatedly refer to the "trinitarian God of the Bible" (whatever THAT means), but I'm willing to let that go. LOL!!! He has a lot of great clips on YT, and excellent advice for couples on family, marriage, sex, etc. He has VERY conservative family values.
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11-04-2009, 11:23 AM
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Re: The most controversial pastor in North America
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I don't know what that person preached but all things declare the glory of God... including procreation.
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Sure. So, D4T, please compare french kissing your wife to french kissing God. LOL!!! That was one of MANY points made in the sermon.
I agree that a husband and wife's union and producing of children declares the glory and majesty of God. However, the marital relationship is not the same across the board as our relationship with God. We don't have sexual feelings toward God.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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11-04-2009, 11:25 AM
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Re: The most controversial pastor in North America
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Sure. So, D4T, please compare french kissing your wife to french kissing God. LOL!!! That was one of MANY points made in the sermon.
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Yep... way off base.
I stand corrected. LOL
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11-04-2009, 11:26 AM
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Re: The most controversial pastor in North America
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Yep... way off base.
I stand corrected. LOL
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Yep, sorry, I had to go there to illustrate the idiocy. LOL!!!!! 
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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11-04-2009, 11:26 AM
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Re: The most controversial pastor in North America
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Me, either! I've been listening to preachers try to compare it to Christ and the church over the years.
The most embarrassing sermon I EVER heard was about "Making Love to Jesus", (I don't know if that was the actual title) and I will not name the minister, but it was at a conference, and he used Song of Solomon as one of his references. He compared human anatomy and sex acts to our relationship with God. It was WAYYYY off base. |
I may have been at that same conference. Wacky stuff. I wish I had walked out.
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11-04-2009, 11:27 AM
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Re: The most controversial pastor in North America
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Yep, sorry, I had to go there to illustrate the idiocy. LOL!!!!! |
Some idiocy is unexpected... Good grief. 
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11-04-2009, 11:30 AM
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Re: The most controversial pastor in North America
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I may have been at that same conference. Wacky stuff. I wish I had walked out.
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I can't remember exactly what year it was, but it had to be more than 20 years ago. It wasn't a UPCI conference.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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11-04-2009, 11:30 AM
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Re: The most controversial pastor in North America
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Originally Posted by Apocrypha
Ladies and gentlemen (and Timmy),
I introduce you to a big influence on me in the last few years... Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church, Seattle WA.
He teaches that the Song of Soloman isn't a allegory of Gods love for the church... and if it was it would put Christ in the odd position of touching a guy in a unmodest way.
He teaches alcohol is ok in moderation.
He teaches hell is super hot and ticks off liberals.
He teaches that ladies should focus on their families before jobs.
He has the 15th fastest growing church in the nation in one of the toughest and most liberal towns in America with 9000 showing up every week.
The SBC has tried to ban his books, the liberals say hes a homophobe, Focus on the Family banned him because he said Song of Soloman is gay when you make it a allegory instead of a romance story.
http://persiflagethis.blogspot.com/2...-driscoll.html |
I'm a big-time "seeker" type, and I was before I ever heard the term or heard of Willow Creek. I don't care for Driscoll's style at all. If it works for him, fine, but I don't see him as "emergent" at all (and I hate that term). Sure, he's got the jeans and the rock-n-roll, but to me he's just anger packaged in modern clothes. The way he yells at people reminds me of my years at UPC youth camps.
So to me, same song, second verse.
But he's built quite a thing in a tough town so kudos for him. And I saw him recently on "Hour of Power" and he was very good.
Speaking of "Hour of Power", when I first heard of that I thought it would be a pentecostal blowout TV show. Then they broke out the pipe organ and the liturgical robes. Caught me off-guard.
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11-04-2009, 11:46 AM
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Re: The most controversial pastor in North America
What channel do you watch "Hour of Power" on? LOL!!
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