Debra Medina-Texas Soveriegnty Or Secession Rally

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Goodness, so true! He seemed more a hick than a cowboy.

Succession would only leave the federal agencies and military power with our current federal government. The only answer to our problems is cession.

All of the collective states need to repeal the 17th Amendment so that we can replace party rule with state rule which is found in the Constitution.

Repealing the 17th Amendment reverts power back to the states and only allows the Government to operate by consent of the governed states.

Right. And Mrs Medina speech spoke about their being tools (weapons) in our arsenal that we have not tried yet. This would definitely be one of those tools.

The fact is that the federal government has reached the tipping point. It has far exceeded it's constitutional limitations and surpassed it's authority.

It is time for the states to begin to stand up and demand some changes.

The fellow at the microphone has some issues.

Many people don't like the way things are going.
Many people don't like the heavy handedness of the US Government.

You can hate how things are being done without saying you hate the US.

As a matter of fact those who fight against the things that are going on these days should be doing so under the banner of fighting FOR the US government and taking it back from the hands of those who would abuse their authority and disgrace what the founding fathers created.

If no recourse can be found then secession is an option to look into. But 140 years isn't long enough for us to have forgotten what the federal governments reaction to that will be.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Right. And Mrs Medina speech spoke about their being tools (weapons) in our arsenal that we have not tried yet. This would definitely be one of those tools.

The fact is that the federal government has reached the tipping point. It has far exceeded it's constitutional limitations and surpassed it's authority.

It is time for the states to begin to stand up and demand some changes.

The fellow at the microphone has some issues.

Many people don't like the way things are going.
Many people don't like the heavy handedness of the US Government.

You can hate how things are being done without saying you hate the US.

As a matter of fact those who fight against the things that are going on these days should be doing so under the banner of fighting FOR the US government and taking it back from the hands of those who would abuse their authority and disgrace what the founding fathers created.

If no recourse can be found then secession is an option to look into. But 140 years isn't long enough for us to have forgotten what the federal governments reaction to that will be.

Totally agree!

I believe that BOTH parties are in firm control over the election process. The only means of maintaining power over the Gov't, military and to provide for state sovereignty is by having a mass recall of US Representatives, by the states, with state representatives that will repeal the 17th Amendment.

Secession would have to be an option as last recourse. It could possibly be an American Alamo!!! Viva la America!!!

[John Atkinson]

3 Reasons why it will never happen:

1. The people who care are too few
2. The people who don't care are too many
3. The people who would oppose are too powerful=In that I am not talking politicians, but corporate interests.


In the case of Texas, not much of the state belongs to the locals anymore.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

3 Reasons why it will never happen:

1. The people who care are too few
2. The people who don't care are too many
3. The people who would oppose are too powerful=In that I am not talking politicians, but corporate interests.

3 comments

1. The number of those who care are growing.
2. There is no power greater than a people yearning to be free.
3. "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise."

[John Atkinson]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

3 comments

1. The number of those who care are growing.
2. There is no power greater than a people yearning to be free.
3. "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise."

I agree in principle, in fact a lot of what is here is preaching to the choir where I am concerned. I have been a member of the constitution party for around 8 years, the only reason I voted for McCain was a vote for anyone but McCain was a vote for Obama.

Is the number of those who care growing at a rate where it will achieve critical mass and force change, hopefully without bloodshed?

Remember for every person yearning to be free is 3 or 4 more that are happy as a clam and feel they are free as long as they got cable monday night football and a TV dinner.

And then there are those who just fine with the welfare check and food stamps, they aren't going to move to help us who care break their rice bowl.

And then we are back to corporate interests... who just don't like the status quo being monkeyed with.

So is it possible? Maybe, I doubt it. I have a lot of confidence in the ideas of constitutional liberty. I have no confidence at all in my "fellow" Americans.

Perhaps my opinions are colored by the fact I live in Connecticut where you can't swing a cat without hitting someone on public assistance.

I would like to see a change back to state sovereignty, for all states, not just the one I am from. But expect it? Not so much. Wish it were otherwise.

Thus, I'm seriousley delighted that my hope is in Jesus.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

I agree in principle, in fact a lot of what is here is preaching to the choir where I am concerned. I have been a member of the constitution party for around 8 years, the only reason I voted for McCain was a vote for anyone but McCain was a vote for Obama.

Is the number of those who care growing at a rate where it will achieve critical mass and force change, hopefully without bloodshed?

Remember for every person yearning to be free is 3 or 4 more that are happy as a clam and feel they are free as long as they got cable monday night football and a TV dinner.

And then there are those who just fine with the welfare check and food stamps, they aren't going to move to help us who care break their rice bowl.

And then we are back to corporate interests... who just don't like the status quo being monkeyed with.

So is it possible? Maybe, I doubt it. I have a lot of confidence in the ideas of constitutional liberty. I have no confidence at all in my "fellow" Americans.

Perhaps my opinions are colored by the fact I live in Connecticut where you can't swing a cat without hitting someone on public assistance.

I would like to see a change back to state sovereignty, for all states, not just the one I am from. But expect it? Not so much. Wish it were otherwise.

That is, indeed, what they want us to believe.

And... they may be right.

But whether we ever see success or even measurable action or not they will not stifle this person's dream nor his ability & desire to take action when the opportunity presents itself.

I may be defeated in the end but, with no offense intended, if I think like in accordance to your post... they have defeated me already.

[John Atkinson]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

That is, indeed, what they want us to believe.

And... they may be right.

But whether we ever see success or even measurable action or not they will not stifle this person's dream nor his ability & desire to take action when the opportunity presents itself.

I may be defeated in the end but, with no offense intended, if I think like in accordance to your post... they have defeated me already.

Oh I am not defeated, And I do take what action I can when I can. I just know what we are up against. The hardest enemy to defeat is apathy, and sadly, most Americans are too apathetic to know or care about what is happening.

Beyond that before you write me off, my passion isn't political change, I vote, I take part in the process. I will never take up arms to do violence against any man for reasons of politics.

I would rather put my efforts and energy into the kingdom of God, an effort that also looks hopeless but I know can and will make a difference.

Matter of picking the battle I guess.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

Oh I am not defeated, And I do take what action I can when I can. I just know what we are up against. The hardest enemy to defeat is apathy, and sadly, most Americans are too apathetic to know or care about what is happening.

Beyond that before you write me off, my passion isn't political change, I vote, I take part in the process. I will never take up arms to do violence against any man for reasons of politics.

I would rather put my efforts and energy into the kingdom of God, an effort that also looks hopeless but I know can and will make a difference.

Matter of picking the battle I guess.

Excellent post, John! Even when we love to discuss and become involved in politics and think we have it all figured out (lol), the bottom line should always be to put more of our efforts into the Kingdom of God.

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

I got the chance to listen to her last night. And this idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmqtNiy4lgc

"I hate the United States"? "I hate that flag"?


The secessionist movement in TX isn't new, but it seems to be gathering steam, and they are spouting the same rhetoric that was spouted in 1859-61, look how well that worked out for everyone involved.

I don't love the Obama administration, but I do love my country.

Fruit cakes like him, that fervently hate the U.S. gov't and it's flag, are scary folks. He's the same type of individual who could one day bomb a federal building and become another Timothy McVeigh.

He's an embarrasment to Texas and the U.S. If he doesn't like it, then don't let the door hit him where the good Lord split him and get out now.

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

Ha.. funny, she is in my hometown today:

Debra Medina at Highland Lakes Tea Party Coalition Town Hall Meeting
Thursday, September 3, 2009, 6:00 pm
Lakeside Park in Marble Falls

See? You shoulda stayed.
You coulda been the next John Wayne..and start
with resaving the current Alamo generation!!