My Brother, My Judge

[jfrog]

We both agree that it is the outward expression of their dogmas. Here is the only thing, everyone judges according to what he perceives as truth. Even you, even me. Does this mean that you should not judge them? You definately should. The problem is not that they are judging, for even you yourself are judging. The problem is that they are not judging truthfully. But I'm just curious how can a person ever hope to know whether his judgment is according to truth? By knowing what is true of course...but how can we be certain we know what is true; for, both those which judge truthfully and those that do not both perceive that they judge according to the truth?

I know I sound an awful lot like a relativist right now, but I do believe that truth exists and not in a relative kind of way. It's just I see real truth being arrived at only if those who have a better way show it. It is not up to us to push it down their throats, but instead show them and let the truths own merits stand on its own. I think those that really care will take what is shown and come to believe whatever is true eventually. So, in dealing with those people like the one in your example, while the attitude is really nasty, there is no hope in dealing with that attitude while that person really does think those not following those standards are going to hell, in fact, hypothetically if that person was right then i think they would be justified in that attitude. So it becomes impossible to deal with their attitude apart from their belief.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by noeticknight

I agree Cindy! Just trying to make my post quota goal of 1000. (as of this post) Only 888 to go!

[NotforSale]

We say we love the truth. But, when our Apostolic heritage is found to waiver in lies, traditions of men, and problems which all other churches have, we find ourselves defending a heresy of doom. We don't want to "Let Go", because we are bathing in fear.

This must stop, or be it known, our Truth will condemn us (no need for brothers or sisters to do the job).

Remember, ALL Churches think they have the TRUTH! Defined, in my opinion, none of them do, because they have isolated themselves with being "Right". Confusion is born in the midst of all this craziness of who's got it, and who doesn't.

We will never be able to judge our brother or sister (fellow man) until we bury our dead religion. If we don't let Jesus in to flip the tables, we will march him right back up to the top of Mount Calvary!

[noeticknight]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

We say we love the truth. But, when our Apostolic heritage is found to waiver in lies, traditions of men, and problems which all other churches have, we find ourselves defending a heresy of doom. We don't want to "Let Go", because we are bathing in fear.

This must stop, or be it known, our Truth will condemn us (no need for brothers or sisters to do the job).

Remember, ALL Churches think they have the TRUTH! Defined, in my opinion, none of them do, because they have isolated themselves with being "Right". Confusion is born in the midst of all this craziness of who's got it, and who doesn't.

We will never be able to judge our brother or sister (fellow man) until we bury our dead religion. If we don't let Jesus in to flip the tables, we will march him right back up to the top of Mount Calvary!

I never know if I'm supposed to laugh or cry with your posts. I always enjoy reading them though, they're very poetic!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by noeticknight

In light of comments made by church members over the years:

"Pray for her to find a job, we all know she can't use that (broadcasting) degree."

"I didn't see him speak in tongues tonight, must be having an affair."

"Just give him time, God will deal with him about that facial hair."

I must ask what force is responsible for such behavior? If biblical principles were explicated clearly and allowed to be practiced freely outside of the rule system, is it possible our holier-than-thou brethren could be released from their roles as crude judges?

I have not read this thread yet but this is an excellent question.

I would add another question...

Since this is clearly very present in church circles (I won't limit it to apostolic) and it is clearly a problem...

Is there any hope of changing this within these circles?

I personally think the only freedom is to abandon the model (on a personal level... as in... for me) and embrace a completely new model to allow for the formation of new habits.

I think that the current church model is beyond help on this issue.

[noeticknight]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I have not read this thread yet but this is an excellent question.

I would add another question...

Since this is clearly very present in church circles (I won't limit it to apostolic) and it is clearly a problem...

Is there any hope of changing this within these circles?

I personally think the only freedom is to abandon the model (on a personal level... as in... for me) and embrace a completely new model to allow for the formation of new habits.

I think that the current church model is beyond help on this issue.

Possibly, with the advent of the internet, easier access to information, and forums like these, serious-minded, sincere individuals should be able to make some kind of a break from these types of behaviors. As for the circles themselves, they will continue to dwindle into more and more isolation and irrelevance. The question will then be, how much embarrassment will it take to open their eyes? The process can be lengthy, just ask the Catholic Church when they adopted to oppose Galileo and his research.

I agree with you on the the modern church model point as well, although, there is always...hope...

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by noeticknight

I never know if I'm supposed to laugh or cry with your posts. I always enjoy reading them though, they're very poetic!

Thanks.