However, if someone broke into my home, I would probably plug them several times in so many seconds. Just to remove the threat since I would be thinking "this is my only chance". The difference is, I wouldn't shoot them once.... then calmly (or even with a fast walk) go get another gun, then come back and finish the job. Now if the perp was trying to get to his feet to attack again, then I might.
Well, a detail that is there in the story (whether accurate or not) is that the man turned his back to the kid on the floor, indicating he didn't really think there was a threat anymore. That speaks (if accurate) volumes, to me. That and going to get another gun.
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Hmm ... the first shot is justified in my opinion.
However, after the perp was down and out of commission ... the 5 additional shots to the torso went too far. The perp wasn't a threat at that time, so if he died from those injuries, I would agree the Pharmacist should be charged.
There was a case where I live where a convenience store clerk chased some kids who stole some beer and shot one in the back of the head. Same feelings with that case - excessive force. The kid was running away and wasn't a threat.
Yet another case was a man who heard someone breaking into his car during the middle of the night, surprised the would-be thief and then chased him 2 blocks before shooting him dead.
All three are examples of excessive force where the shooter should be held accountable for their actions.
It's one thing to protect one's self or another ... but quite another to use excessive force.
Yep, the other shots are going to fry this guy in court
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Hmm. If I happened to come across an accident scene, and someone was suffering from a head injury, should I shoot him dead? Mercy killings aren't my cup of tea, sorry.
I'm allergic to morphine, but not to lead.
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Well, a detail that is there in the story (whether accurate or not) is that the man turned his back to the kid on the floor, indicating he didn't really think there was a threat anymore. That speaks (if accurate) volumes, to me. That and going to get another gun.
Could it be that this Pharmacist was actually saving this kid from his suffering?
Would anyone want to prosecute this man if his intent was to make sure the kid didn't suffer?
After the actions of the Pharmacist, the kid was no longer suffering.
If that's the case, he should have put another shot to the head--not 5 in the stomach.
I understand shot #1, but once the threat has been diffused, I see no need for more. He could have just as easily attempted to restrain the boy until police arrived. Or just sat there with his gun pointed at him until police arrived, just in case.
However, in Oklahoma we have the "stand your ground" law, which basically allows people to defend themselves with lethal force at their places of employment, in their cars, etc., so this might be a hard case to win. (There's also the "make my day" law, so I can't remember which one is which....)
The young men made a terrible choice, and deserve consequences, but the pharmacist also went too far, IMO. I doubt he'll be convicted.
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Well, a detail that is there in the story (whether accurate or not) is that the man turned his back to the kid on the floor, indicating he didn't really think there was a threat anymore. That speaks (if accurate) volumes, to me. That and going to get another gun.
True. He obviously didn't feel threatened. It looks more like he came back in, saw the kid was still alive, and then just went back to finish what he'd started.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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I am not liking those 5 extra shots...BUT police, i believe are taught, when they open fire on a subject to empty their clip into the subject.
I let the jury hear the evidence and decide.
However, I doubt the police are taught to shoot once, walk away, get another gun, come back ... stand over the incompacitated perp and shoot him 5 more times.
Speaking as someone who spends 48 hours a week in a pharmacy (yes, I'm a sorcerer according to OnenessMan ), I face the threat of robbery from desperate drug-addicts every day. Our store was robbed about 11 years ago; until you've been robbed, you don't know what Dr. Ersland had going through his mind. Those of you that want to charge Dr. Ersland with a crime need to think again.
There's not enough info in the media report. We don't know if the recipient of Dr. Ersland's lead injection therapy was reaching into his pocket, possibly for a weapon. Granted, no other weapon was found, but did Dr. Ersland know that? What regard did these 2 robbers have for Dr. Ersland, a pharmacist serving his community for more than 30 years? None: they were prepared to take his life. On a side note, I'll bet nobody tries to rob his store again.
Criminals have more rights than victims. Dr. Ersland is no criminal.
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), I face the threat of robbery from desperate drug-addicts every day. Our store was robbed about 11 years ago; until you've been robbed, you don't know what Dr. Ersland had going through his mind. Those of you that want to charge Dr. Ersland with a crime need to think again.
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