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Old 06-10-2009, 01:20 PM
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Re: Baptism from God's Perspective

NOT ONE person since Pentecost has recieved remission of sins without being immersed in Jesus Name. I hope that clears everything up.
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Old 06-10-2009, 01:27 PM
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We believe that God has preserved his word for us, and that it is true. So why did he allow Matt. 28:19 to be changed, and to stand all of these years? When it will cause so many sincere, honest, God-fearing and loving people to burn in hell?
Seriously, shall we start with all the issues in the Bible that make Matt 28:19 simply another issues of a interpolation like several others. God did preserve his word whether Matt 28:19 is part of the original or not. If your view of preserved 100% accurate.... your out of luck as no scholar except delusional KJ Only people who don't even agree with the Greek would say that. Thus they make the KJV a new revelation without anything to verify it as it even corrects teh Greek it came from. Talking about a world turned upside down on it's head.

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So not one person is saved at repentance....Jesus does not save at repentance Steve
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Old 06-10-2009, 01:32 PM
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Repentance only brings a person properly before God to the alter of sacrifice to be joined togethor with Christ. Baptism is the place we are unified in his death. Without repentance there is no joining in sacrifice with Christ as you are unequally trying to yoke two hearts.
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So jesus does not remit your sins at repentence
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NOT ONE person since Pentecost has recieved remission of sins without being immersed in Jesus Name. I hope that clears everything up.
It only clears up where your theology is, but that was not difficult to figure out
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me – “It is my opinion that one has to be water baptized to be saved. Any acceptations (I meant exceptions) due to disability make the rule and leave us with the ability without excuse.”
I’m not absolutely certain that there would be any exceptions. I believe that our God is merciful and isn’t a legalistic tyrant who would watch one who cannot be baptized due to circumstance - or disability – to perish if it is possible to save them by his own decree. If anything, just as Christ’s righteousness is imputed to us who obey, certainly his obedience to water baptism could be imputed to those who cannot. But I have NO biblical grounds to establish this as a certainty.

I am reminded of a passage in the Law. At one point a sacrifice was required, however, if one couldn’t afford to bring the prescribed sacrifice, they were permitted to offer up turtledoves (which were cheap and abundant) in its place. It’s the spirit of this Law from which I draw the possibility of there being a possible exception. Of course, this doesn’t lay out any certainty of there being an exception for those whose circumstances or health present disability. I’m just considering the spirit of this Law in context of this question. IF (big “if” here) a mercy can be granted here it leaves us who can be baptized and refuse to without excuse.

Personally, I believe that the anointing of the sick in the book of James presents a very powerful truth in this area. Please review it and consider its implications.
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NOT ONE person since Pentecost has recieved remission of sins without being immersed in Jesus Name. I hope that clears everything up.
Allow God to be God.
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:34 PM
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Re: Baptism from God's Perspective

I had a provocative thought while sitting here contemplating this thread.

We would all agree that it wouldn’t matter if an individual had 100 Apostolic ministers screaming the proper Jesus name “formula” over them at their water baptism if that person wasn’t individually calling upon the name of Jesus to wash away his or her sins.

With that in mind let me ask this question…

If an individual had 100 Trinitarian ministers screaming the Trinitarian “formula” over them at their water baptism, yet they as an individual cried out to the name of Jesus to wash away their sins, is it of no effect?
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If an individual called out to Jesus which is repenting asking for fogivness why do we need water the water does not physically remove sin Jesus does
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