Is our bible complete?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Another view on the subject here.
http://searchwarp.com/swa413703.htm

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by FaithtoFaith

Great link, Scott!
Too much info to try and paraphrase on the forum... thanks for sharing. I'll definitely resource this.

You're welcome glad to be of some help.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by FaithtoFaith

Hi Digging4Truth!

They are the early writers, theologians and church leaders. The earliest were called the Apostolic Father (obviously they've been hijacked by the RCC as their own): Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, etc... Among there extra-biblical writings were the didache. Ironically, one of the "church fathers", Tertullian, was responsible for the eventual language used to describe the doctrine of the Trinity -- well, the irony, is that later he opposed his own doctrine and joined the Montanus, pretty close to oneness pentecostals!

There names are vasts, and any library search will get you plenty to read on. It was these men in the 2nd & 3rd Century that eventually helped complete the NT canon.

Thanks for your very informative answer. I appreciate it.

[FaithtoFaith]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Thanks for your very informative answer. I appreciate it.

You're welcome!

I enjoy reading about Tertullian. The man responsible for labeling all of us oneness believers as heretics, later become a heretic himself!

[Timmy]

Were any mistakes made in deciding on the canon? Anything there that shouldn't be, or anything that should be that isn't? Perhaps there were mistakes at times, but they were later corrected? Perhaps there are still some mistakes that will be corrected at some time?

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Were any mistakes made in deciding on the canon? Anything there that shouldn't be, or anything that should be that isn't? Perhaps there were mistakes at times, but they were later corrected? Perhaps there are still some mistakes that will be corrected at some time?

There seems to be mistakes...

1: Where are the other letters that Paul wrote to the church at Corinth?
2: What about the aforementioned books of Enoch and Jasher (I mean, the Holy Ghost inspired men to reference these books).
3: If you study Eusebius' writings on early church history, he quotes Mat 28:19 at least 19 times without mentioning the Trinitarian formula.
4: ???

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Justin

There seems to be mistakes...

1: Where are the other letters that Paul wrote to the church at Corinth?
2: What about the aforementioned books of Enoch and Jasher (I mean, the Holy Ghost inspired men to reference these books).
3: If you study Eusebius' writings on early church history, he quotes Mat 28:19 at least 19 times without mentioning the Trinitarian formula.
4: ???

However, I think it's important to note that I do believe the CORE of the gospel message is intact, and not corrupt.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Justin

There seems to be mistakes...

1: Where are the other letters that Paul wrote to the church at Corinth?
2: What about the aforementioned books of Enoch and Jasher (I mean, the Holy Ghost inspired men to reference these books).
3: If you study Eusebius' writings on early church history, he quotes Mat 28:19 at least 19 times without mentioning the Trinitarian formula.
4: ???

If he quotes it without mentioning the trinitarian formula, what does he say? What's the quote?

[Justin]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

If he quotes it without mentioning the trinitarian formula, what does he say? What's the quote?

Most typically: Go disciple ye all the nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

If he quotes it without mentioning the trinitarian formula, what does he say? What's the quote?

Here's some good reading:

http://www.godglorified.com/matthew_2819.htm

http://jesus-messiah.com/html/evr-last-gosp.htm

http://www.israelofgod.org/Constantine.htm

Also:

The Encyclopedia of Religion And Ethics states that Mt 28:19 "is the
central piece of evidence for the traditional view [trinitarian
formula]. If it were undisputed, this would, of course, be decisive,
but its trustworthiness is impugned on the grounds of textual
criticism, literary criticism, and historical criticism… [However] The
facts are, in summary, that Eusebius quotes Matthew 28:19 twenty one
times, either omitting everything between 'nations' and 'teaching,' or
in the form 'make disciples of all nations in my name,' the latter
form being the more frequent… the traditional [trinitarian] text was
brought about by the [trinitarian baptismal] influence working on the
Eusebian [Gospel of Matthew, which originally stated "in My name"]
text”.

The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:

"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to
the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the
second century."

New Catholic Encyclopedia, VOL 2, 1967, pp.59

“An explicit reference to the Trinitarian formula of Baptism cannot be
found in the first centuries. The Didache, for instance, merely
repeats Mt 28:19. In the East, St. John Chrysostom (d. 407) is the
first to report it: “N. is baptized in the name of the Father and of
the Son and of the Holy Spirit”