Genesis,creation and formation

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The hebrew word for "man" in Gen 1:26 when God said "Let us make man in our image" is the hebrew word Adam. It's the same Hebrew word used for Adam in Genesis chapter 2

The Hebrew word for create is a different word than the hebrew word for make. The hebrew word for create implies to make something totally new and something only God can do and the hebrew word for MAKE implies making something OUT of something else. Thus God MADE man when he FORMED him from the ground.

Adam was both created and made. The Hebrew word for formed is a different word for Made.

Prax,That's what I been telling you.In the first chapter God made some things and he created some things and man is one thing he created in the first chapter.Then other scripture says he also made and formed man.So man was created in the first chapter and then made and formed in the second chapter.He took the man Adam he created in the first chapter and formed and made him different.What he did is he breathed in man the first man Adam the breath (spirit) of life.This is when Adam man became spiritual person,the son of God.There was also sons of men God created at the same time he created Adam and he didn't breath the breath (Spirit) of life in them,they were not Adam.Not all men he created was Adam only the one he breathed the breath (Spirit)of life into.The breath (Spirit) of life gave the one man Adam a Spirit body.

See here we know Adam didn't die natural but he died spiritual.2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Then hear if he could re enter the garden and eat the tree of life he would regain hos spiritual body.3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24: So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life

Now here we see what God created in the first chapter.
Gen.1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[21] And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Hear we see what he made in the first chapter.Gen.1
[7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
[16] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[25] And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

This is what God formed or and made in the second chapter.
Gen.2
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
[8] And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
[19] And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I repeat...the HEBREW word for MAN as the english word MAN appears in Genesis 1:26 is the Hebrew word Adam. Adam is a hebrew word. Adam was the first MAN and the first of MANKIND.

God named the first Male Adam or "man" and named the first female EVE.

Ask any jew or hebrew scholar. MAN is an english word. The Hebrew word translated MAN in Genesis 1:26 is "Adam"

'âdâm
aw-dawm'
From H119; ruddy, that is, a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.): - X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.

Brown Driver and Briggs Definitions
'âdâm
BDB Definition:
1) man, mankind
1a) man, human being
1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
1c) Adam, first man
1d) city in Jordan valley

Prax,I know the word man also means Adam,but only the one man and woman that God formed was called Adam.So the word man don't simply mean man or Adam,it means."ADAM" (aw-dawm') in Hebrew means a "ruddy human being" (Strong's O.T. #120). It is derived from Strong's O.T. #119 - ADAM (aw-dam'), which means "to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy
Gen.5
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
[2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

PRAX SAID,God named the first Male Adam or "man" and named the first female EVE.

Joelel said,God didn't give Eve her name,Adam did.3:[20] And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.God called both mail and femail Adam.5:[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
[2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Adam was both created and made. The Hebrew word for formed is a different word for Made.

Exactly.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Joelel

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Joelels reply,Please give scripture that says the Sons of God were Seth's descendants or started with Seth ? If they were Sath's then Seth would have to be a Son of God.

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They were Seth's line and Seth was a son of God as well. It speaks of his spiritual relationship with God. Since sinners had none, they were merely sons and daughters of men.

There has to be a starting place for the difference in the sons of God and the Sons of Man and it started in the Garden when God breathed the breath (Spirit) of life (spitual life in Adam).

We also might request a starting point for the stars and sons of God who rejoiced qwith God when he created the universe. But in some cases we don't. That is why the idea of Genesis 6:1 distinctly mentions about men covering the face of the earth before this occurred. And Paul called Adam the FIRST MAN in 1 Cor 15.

[Joelel]

I'm going to try and make this as simple as possable to understand.In the first chapter God created man,male and female.It don't say how many he created.I believe he created each race.The bible speaks of sons of God and sons of man.I believe God took this one man Adam and formed and breathed into him the breath(Spirit) of Spititual life and this one man out of many races became a son of God.Now,all the other races that God created were not formed or made spiritual people,they were sons of man,not sons of God.

1:[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them

Gen.6
[2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by mfblume

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They were Seth's line and Seth was a son of God as well. It speaks of his spiritual relationship with God. Since sinners had none, they were merely sons and daughters of men.




We also might request a starting point for the stars and sons of God who rejoiced qwith God when he created the universe. But in some cases we don't. That is why the idea of Genesis 6:1 distinctly mentions about men covering the face of the earth before this occurred. And Paul called Adam the FIRST MAN in 1 Cor 15.

Seth was a son of Adam, what makes you think Seth was a son of God and Adam was not. Here's proof Adam was a son of God.See here we know Adam didn't die natural but he died spiritual.2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Then hear if he could reenter the garden and eat the tree of life he would regain his spiritual body.3:22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24: So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life

Originally Posted by Joelel

[B]we know Adam didn't die natural but he died spiritual.

Do you truly comprehend what this statement implies? Lets examine the definition of the words death and spiritual.

DEATH: the ending of all vital functions without the possibility of recovery.

SPIRITUAL: a. influenced and/or controlled by the divine Spirit, and b. having a nature in which a concern for the Spirit of God predominates.

Now, IF it be that Adam experienced a "spiritual death," as your statement implies, then I would ask that you provide for me the SPECIFIC scriptural text which discloses the person(s) through whom his sons, Cain and Abel, acquired knowledge concerning their NEED to bring an [I]"offering"[I]to God as an atonement for their sins. By your reasoning it could not have been Adam because when he experienced a [I]spiritual death[I] all possibility for his acquisition of knowledge of things pertaining to God were forever severed.

Is not this what your statement implies? Please correct me if my perception of what you are asserting is amiss.

Originally Posted by Joelel

I'm going to try and make this as simple as possable to understand.In the first chapter God created man,male and female.It don't say how many he created.I believe he created each race.The bible speaks of sons of God and sons of man.I believe God took this one man Adam and formed and breathed into him the breath(Spirit) of Spititual life and this one man out of many races became a son of God.Now,all the other races that God created were not formed or made spiritual people,they were sons of man,not sons of God.

May I ask that you provide a sound scriptural-based explanation wherein God created more than Adam & Eve (the first male and female) in His initial act of creating mankind? I implore you to correct me if my understanding of these things are in error, but the way I have always believed that you and I, as well as ALL mankind, INHERITED the penalty of death, was through the "seed" which lie resident within the physical body of Adam, for it was upon this component of man that the penalty of death was imposed of God for Adam's willful act of disobedience to His commandment concerning the forbidden fruit.

If it be true, as your statements appear to suggest/imply, that in His creation of mankind God also created others of various races, then we MUST find the manner through which the descendants of such that the penalty of death was inherited.

Your reasoning is simply not scriptural based, and therefore MUST be refuted forthwith!

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by PaPaDon

Do you truly comprehend what this statement implies? Lets examine the definition of the words death and spiritual.

DEATH: the ending of all vital functions without the possibility of recovery.

SPIRITUAL: a. influenced and/or controlled by the divine Spirit, and b. having a nature in which a concern for the Spirit of God predominates.

Now, IF it be that Adam experienced a "spiritual death," as your statement implies, then I would ask that you provide for me the SPECIFIC scriptural text which discloses the person(s) through whom his sons, Cain and Abel, acquired knowledge concerning their NEED to bring an [I]"offering"[I]to God as an atonement for their sins. By your reasoning it could not have been Adam because when he experienced a [I]spiritual death[I] all possibility for his acquisition of knowledge of things pertaining to God were forever severed.

Is not this what your statement implies? Please correct me if my perception of what you are asserting is amiss.

Hi Don,When Adam and Eve died their Spiritual bodies died that gave them life with out death.We know they didn't die to where they didn't go on living for a time but their Spirit bodies that give them life with out death died.Gen.2:9: And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10: And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11: The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12: And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13: And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14: And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15: And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16: And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Eating the tree of life gave them life with out death but when they sinned by eating the tree they were told not to they began to die or lose their Spirit body and got cast out of the garden and they could no longer eat of the tree of life that was food for their Spirit body to live,So their Spirit body died.

Gen.3: 1: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2: And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6: And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7: And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
8: And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9: And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10: And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11: And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12: And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13: And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14: And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17: And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18: Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19: In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20: And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
21: Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24: So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Prax,I know the word man also means Adam,but only the one man and woman that God formed was called Adam.So the word man don't simply mean man or Adam,it means."ADAM" (aw-dawm') in Hebrew means a "ruddy human being" (Strong's O.T. #120). It is derived from Strong's O.T. #119 - ADAM (aw-dam'), which means "to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy
Gen.5
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
[2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

PRAX SAID,God named the first Male Adam or "man" and named the first female EVE.

Joelel said,God didn't give Eve her name,Adam did.3:[20] And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.God called both mail and femail Adam.5:[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
[2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

The word man does not mean Adam though, you have that backwards. The hebrew word for man used in Genesis 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and even 5 is the hebrew word Adam. You keep saying the word man also means Adam....no the word Adam, the Hebrew word Adam is translated by english translators into the english word man in Genesis.

Forget Strongs too BTW...I posted the TWOT which is far far superior than a simple Strongs dictionary. Hebrew Scholars would never rely on the Strongs