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08-27-2012, 01:11 PM
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Re: Did women in biblical times wear veils?
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http://www.amazon.com/Roman-Wives-Wi.../dp/0802849717
The above is a very interesting book about the women of the Roman Empire during the time of Paul the apostle. In 1st Corinthians 11 it is plain that the apostle is telling the church that a woman's hair was given her for a veil.
To understand the idea of the physical veil used in the time of Paul and the apostles is to also understand why Paul brought up the point why the hair of a woman was her veil. Also that a man with long uncut hair would make him look like a female, and therefore vial and disgusting. During the first century Rome, woman were throwing off their veils as a sign of leaving their position of matriarchs, wives, and virgin daughters. Paul (Freeborn Roman) explains to the Corinthian church that it is more an issue of a woman looking and acting like a woman, than just an issue of a veil. The sign of the submissive and obedient woman would be the long unhindered growth of long hair.
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Paul did not say a woman's hair was a literal veil, or took the place of a veil, but it was LIKE a veil. It SYMBOLIZED long hair. The Apostle made a PARALLEL between having a veil hanging down the sides of the head and having long hair. Both were feminine. For a woman to go unveiled, like a man, she may as well cut her hair off like one, too. This PARALLEL is also in the writings of Plutarch and Homer, for the idea was prevalent in their culture.
The Greek word, used by the Apostle in 1 Cor. 11:15, was anti, which the UPCI says means "instead of", as found in The Shorter Lexicon of the Greek New Testament, by Gingrich. But, on p17 of this particular dictionary the definition is stated: "for, AS, in place of." The UPCI totally leaves out "AS" when citing the definition, the one that fits the context. Always check UPCI references!
In the Greek OT anti is most often used as word of COMPARISON or EQIVALENCY, such as, "an eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth." In Eph. 5 Paul uses anti to teach how a man and wife are TYPED to Christ and the Church. The anti used in v15 does not mean "instead of" but COMPARED TO. This meaning is also found in Strong's Expanded Dictionary of Bible Words "...the context shows that the "covering" provided in the long "hair" of the woman is AS a veil.." The French language "Louis Segond" Bible of 1910 translates the anti in v15: "... la chevelure lui a ete donnee comme voile," or "...the hair is give to her LIKE a veil."
Another mistake: "Long" hair does not mean "uncut" hair.
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08-27-2012, 02:58 PM
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Re: Did women in biblical times wear veils?
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Rebekah put on a veil in Gen. 24. Apparently she didn't wear it all the time. There is no commandment in the OT commanding a woman to wear one. I think it was a matter of custom.
The women in Cor. were apparently expected to wear one.
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Issac was now her head. Note how clear it says she took a veil and COVERED HERSELF.
She already had long hair. But she TOOK A VEIL AND COVERED HERSELF.
Gen. 24:63-65
63 And Isaac went out to meditate in the field at the eventide: and he lifted up his eyes, and saw, and, behold, the camels were coming.
64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.
65 For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself.
Without it she had the veil nature supplies. The secondary veil. Its clear Paul speaks of a veil one can take off and put on.
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08-27-2012, 04:08 PM
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Re: Did women in biblical times wear veils?
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Paul did not say a woman's hair was a literal veil, or took the place of a veil, but it was LIKE a veil. It SYMBOLIZED long hair. The Apostle made a PARALLEL between having a veil hanging down the sides of the head and having long hair. Both were feminine. For a woman to go unveiled, like a man, she may as well cut her hair off like one, too. This PARALLEL is also in the writings of Plutarch and Homer, for the idea was prevalent in their culture.
The Greek word, used by the Apostle in 1 Cor. 11:15, was anti, which the UPCI says means "instead of", as found in The Shorter Lexicon of the Greek New Testament, by Gingrich. But, on p17 of this particular dictionary the definition is stated: "for, AS, in place of." The UPCI totally leaves out "AS" when citing the definition, the one that fits the context. Always check UPCI references!
In the Greek OT anti is most often used as word of COMPARISON or EQIVALENCY, such as, "an eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth." In Eph. 5 Paul uses anti to teach how a man and wife are TYPED to Christ and the Church. The anti used in v15 does not mean "instead of" but COMPARED TO. This meaning is also found in Strong's Expanded Dictionary of Bible Words "...the context shows that the "covering" provided in the long "hair" of the woman is AS a veil.." The French language "Louis Segond" Bible of 1910 translates the anti in v15: "... la chevelure lui a ete donnee comme voile," or "...the hair is give to her LIKE a veil."
Another mistake: "Long" hair does not mean "uncut" hair.
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08-27-2012, 04:25 PM
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Re: Did women in biblical times wear veils?
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In many nations on Earth women STILL wear veils. Up till 150 years ago I would say practically all AMERICAN women covered their heads in Church tho many times with a hat rather than a veil. At least they understood their heads were to be covered.
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08-27-2012, 05:11 PM
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Re: Did women in biblical times wear veils?
I want a lady to answer the question below.
Is it a shame for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved?
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08-27-2012, 05:32 PM
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Re: Did women in biblical times wear veils?
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08-27-2012, 05:35 PM
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Re: Did women in biblical times wear veils?
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08-27-2012, 05:52 PM
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Re: Did women in biblical times wear veils?
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I want a lady to answer the question below.
Is it a shame for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved?
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08-27-2012, 07:36 PM
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Re: Did women in biblical times wear veils?
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I want a lady to answer the question below.
Is it a shame for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved?
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Yes (if her hair is cut off completely), but it is not a shame to get a hair cut.
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08-27-2012, 08:34 PM
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Re: Did women in biblical times wear veils?
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Also consider:
In many nations on Earth women STILL wear veils. Up till 150 years ago I would say practically all AMERICAN women covered their heads in Church tho many times with a hat rather than a veil. At least they understood their heads were to be covered.
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When I was a little girl going to Roman Catholic Church, we never entered the doors without a veil.
Momma made sure my sister and I wore something on our heads, even if it was just a small lacy veil.
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