Is it really revival?

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

The amazing thing to me is that historically, (Book of Acts excepted) there are ZERO recorded major Ac. 2:38 "revivals" that have shaken the world and left their mark similar to other historical revivals. Azusa was not an Ac. 2:38 revival and neither we the subsequent moves of God or revivals.

The only ones people point to are the ones in Africa etc. and almost everyone who goes there for mass meetings has the same results if one does their research and reading.

Good point MOW! If these revival movements that Felicity listed did not result in genuine conversion experiences, then it seems to me God is left in the position of being basically a God who doesn't answer prayer and those who have called upon Him for salvation received something other than what they asked for. The Deceiver ends up being the one who has been effective through the years, not Jesus Christ and the gospel.

Originally Posted by Gary Blacksher

It it really revival when the ones hosting it do not have the truth about salvation?

Can one really have a TRUE Revival without preaching the oneness of God and the Acts 2:38 plan of salvation?

You have shown that you really don't know what "revival" is. Revival has to do with awakening a sleeping church or resurrecting a dead one. If, as you seem to believe, the only real Church is the one that preaches the oneness of God and Acts 2:38 salvation, then why would you need to preach those doctrines all over again in churches in need of revival? If those churches don't already preach those things then, besides being asleep or dead, they're no longer the Church.

Of course, it should tear our hearts to shreds to even think that any church has gotten itself into the place where it is asleep or dead.

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

So a revival amongst unbelievers is not a move of God?

There is no such thing as a RE-VIVAL (bring back to life, awake from sleep) among unbelievers because they were never alive or awake to begin with. Notice it's RE-vive - to "vive" again.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Chan

You have shown that you really don't know what "revival" is. Revival has to do with awakening a sleeping church or resurrecting a dead one. If, as you seem to believe, the only real Church is the one that preaches the oneness of God and Acts 2:38 salvation, then why would you need to preach those doctrines all over again in churches in need of revival? If those churches don't already preach those things then, besides being asleep or dead, they're no longer the Church.

Of course, it should tear our hearts to shreds to even think that any church has gotten itself into the place where it is asleep or dead.

Good post

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Gary Blacksher

It it really revival when the ones hosting it do not have the truth about salvation?

Can one really have a TRUE Revival without preaching the oneness of God and the Acts 2:38 plan of salvation?

Revival etymologically comes from the word revive.....thus revival happens when a church is revived. If you are having "revival" you are essentially saying your church is dead and needs reviving

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

"Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. David said about him:

" 'I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will live in hope,
because you will not abandon me to the grave,
nor will you let your Holy One see decay.
You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.'

"Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay. God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,

" 'The Lord said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet." '

"Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." (Acts 2:22-36)

This is gospel that Peter preached on the Day of Pentecost that brought conviction to those who asked in verse 37, "What shall we do?"

Acts 2:38 is not the message that brought conviction, it was the preaching of the gospel as defined by the Apostle Paul, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ!

That message worked then and it is working very well today!

So how does one obey the Gospel?

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Gary Blacksher

So how does one obey the Gospel?

Fulfilling Acts 2:38 is our response to the Message of Jesus being the Saviour.

Originally Posted by Chan

You have shown that you really don't know what "revival" is. Revival has to do with awakening a sleeping church or resurrecting a dead one. If, as you seem to believe, the only real Church is the one that preaches the oneness of God and Acts 2:38 salvation, then why would you need to preach those doctrines all over again in churches in need of revival? If those churches don't already preach those things then, besides being asleep or dead, they're no longer the Church.

Of course, it should tear our hearts to shreds to even think that any church has gotten itself into the place where it is asleep or dead.

And you have shown that you don't know how to answer a question. I know what revival is. What I can't see is how any one can say that someone is having revival and doesn't preach the Apostles doctrine.

Chan, it is you that doesn't know what a real revival is.

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Fulfilling Acts 2:38 is our response to the Message of Jesus being the Saviour.

So obeying Acts 2:38 is the way to obey the gospel.

How many on here believe in just accepting the Lord as your personal saviour?