Knock, Knock Census Bureau Calling.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

If it's a law, then it's their right.

Can laws not be unconstitutional?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esther

Yes it is. I had one harass me about sending mine in. I told her I would fill it out and mail it in but I had a situation going on at the time that it would have to wait.

She then informed me I could be fined and imprisoned if I didn't fill it out. I again told her I would fill it out, but she would have to wait. Then she wanted to send someone to help me fill it out. I again said she would have to WAIT! Hello, do you get I am not doing it this week?

So I took care of the crisis, filled it out and mailed it in. Good grief, was she ever parnoid.

Imagine....all the drug dealers, rapists, pedophiles, drunk drivers, gang bangers and now a you can be imprisoned for not sending in a census? Lovely nation we are becoming.

[Ron]

2005 was our last census in Canada & while I have no problem in having them count how many citizens are in this country I feel they go to far in the questions they ask.
I wasn't so easy to get a hold of so imagine my surprise when along the side of the house by our kitchen I saw a woman knocking on the window.

I met her at the door & while she sensed my reluctance to give to much information in regards to a basic census, she responded in the fact that she got so much an hour & so much per name (person) counted & the rest she could care less.
She put our names down as Mr & Mrs John & Mary Smith, we gave our ages, she asked how many kids, & I said 3 & I told them thier ages & she gave them names of Bobby, Betty, & Susan.

I would not answer how much I made personally, I did venture a "range" of household income.

She didn't care & in a way was sympathetic to me.

I mean come on, they ask "Do you have an indoor toilet? How many bathrooms do you have"
What kind of food do you eat?"

These are all questions on the long form.

They are none of thier business!

My libertarian side is shining through!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Can laws not be unconstitutional?

The consitition is meaningless when judges can reinterpret them or when elected officials ignore them. We aren't a republic any more. The Constitution is just a piece of history now.

[Praxeas]

BTW does the constitution protect our rights to raise chickens without registering them or following guidelines?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW does the constitution protect our rights to raise chickens without registering them or following guidelines?

The constitution limits the power of the federal government to only the powers enumerated in that document.

Does the constitution grant that power to them?

I am an american.

I am free.

My property is private property.

I have the right to raise animals on my private property without government intervention, oversight or control.

If I enter into commerce and begin to sell my animals to others as a food business transaction then I have entered into an arena that can be controlled by the government. But what I do on my private property for private purposes is not... by any stretch.... their business.

That... is without question and absolute and the fact that this is not perfectly clear to every single american is an amazing and dumbfounding thought.

We are losing the battle and the battle ground is the mind of every american.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW does the constitution protect our rights to raise chickens without registering them or following guidelines?

No, it is silent on the issue of chickens. The clause where it says something like, "Powers not ennumerated are reserved for the states..." applies.

[coadie]

To me the government has trompled on a lot of citizen rights. They are going to be asking a lot of angry people a lot of questions. Sodomy laws as were laws regarding abortion had rulings that came from "privacy" rights.
Today with ID theft, privacy issues go up. When we read about boxes of ballots being found in cars weeks after an election, i wonder about this mess.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No, it is silent on the issue of chickens. The clause where it says something like, "Powers not ennumerated are reserved for the states..." applies.

Indeed....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No, it is silent on the issue of chickens. The clause where it says something like, "Powers not ennumerated are reserved for the states..." applies.

They'll pressure the states to pass these laws then by threatening to withhold money. Sorry guys but this is the new age of our "republic".

You are no longer a citizen of the Republic of the United States but of the United Nations