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02-24-2009, 03:23 PM
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the ultracon
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Re: Contract Question
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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY
Bottom line,you may not agree but if it is not the church you attend and you are not part of the leadership then it is of none of your concern. I think the pastor has every right to require whatever he wants of the leadership of the church he is called to pastor.
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I'd kinda like to see it CLEARLY in scripture.
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02-24-2009, 03:25 PM
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Re: Contract Question
I understand the wearing of jewelry other than wedding bands/rings is prohibited by scripture and I will refrain from doing so at anytime while serving in this capacity.
Wording like this would keep me from signing it. If it said 'I will agree to wear no jewelry other than a wedding band', that'd be one thing. But to sign a statement saying I agree that jewelry is prohibited by scripture.... well, I don't believe that, so I couldn't sign it.
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02-24-2009, 03:27 PM
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Re: Contract Question
Can a person sign it and ignore it,
or scratch out certain things and sign it,
or sign UP (Under Protest),
etc.
like the Affirmation Statement?
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02-24-2009, 03:27 PM
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Re: Contract Question
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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*
I understand the wearing of jewelry other than wedding bands/rings is prohibited by scripture and I will refrain from doing so at anytime while serving in this capacity.
Wording like this would keep me from signing it. If it said 'I will agree to wear no jewelry other than a wedding band', that'd be one thing. But to sign a statement saying I agree that jewelry is prohibited by scripture.... well, I don't believe that, so I couldn't sign it.
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Me too. I would not sign that because that is not what I believe the scriptures teach.
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- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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02-24-2009, 03:32 PM
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Re: Contract Question
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Originally Posted by Sam
Can a person sign it and ignore it,
or scratch out certain things and sign it,
or sign UP (Under Protest),
etc.
like the Affirmation Statement?
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Or, is there a "cover letter" that allows a signer to interpret it for themselves (ref. N.A.Urshan) ?
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02-24-2009, 03:32 PM
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Re: Contract Question
I find it funny they do not say you have to have the (Holyghost with the evidence) in this contract I have seen those before also...
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02-24-2009, 03:33 PM
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Re: Contract Question
You are all just rebellious. If you were right with God you would just shut up and sign the contract and be happy to do it.
Clearly a lot of luke warm compromising "saints" posting on this thread!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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02-24-2009, 03:34 PM
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Still Figuring It Out.
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Re: Contract Question
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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith
Well at one time, I would have and probably did use something similar, I may not agree with the exacts of this contract, or covenant, but I do think them to be a useful tool for leadership and unifying around a common vision, or cause and helps people know the ends and outs of how to submit to the said leadership.
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Indeed... Look what the AS has done for the UPC.
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02-24-2009, 03:35 PM
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Still Figuring It Out.
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Re: Contract Question
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Originally Posted by CC1
I have a revolutionary idea. How about a church contract that involves the fruit of the Spirit!!!!
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NOWWWWWWWWWWW you're talking.
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02-24-2009, 03:36 PM
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Re: Contract Question
O thats right this fourm is a backslidden sess pool...LOL
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