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Originally Posted by Pastor Keith
For someone to have a proper and normative birth experience a number of things need to happen, repentance, faith, baptism and the Spirit.
Each of those things are significant and bring about transformation in some degree, so we do never want to undermine or play down the significance of what happens in each part or experience. Our role as spiritual midwifes is to help people have the greatest and healthiest birth experience that they can have.
Repentance and Faith towards God isn't regeneration, Justification by God doesn't happen at the reception of the spirit, Union with Christ only happens at baptism, etc. That is why it is so vital that we get every part.
The reason why people have such significant change at each of those parts in that in and of themselves alone they are powerful encounters that will change any life.
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Obviously, Keith you have retained the Water and Spirit message ... even now ... which I believes still hinders your view of the entire Body of Christ ...
After reading your statement I can only infer that somehow only those who have gone through the birth process properly are the MOST HEALTHY... the others are spiritually defective?
Are you suggesting a person filled with the baptism of the Holy Spirit ... but has not been "unified w/ Christ" through a properly administered baptism, is not dressed with all of Christ????
I am all for making a parallel with natural birth when we speak of our spiritual birth ... Christ did ....but since when is the baby the catalyst ...? Where does God call us mid-wives?
Max Lucado makes a great point when he says:
Born again.
Birth, by definition, is a passive act. The enwombed child contributes nothing to the delivery. Postpartum celebrations applaud the work of the mother. No one lionizes the infant. (“Great work there, little one.”) No, give the tyke a pacifier not a medal. Mom deserves the gold. She exerts the effort. She pushes, agonizes, and delivers.
When my niece bore her first child, she invited her brother and mother to stand in the delivery room. After witnessing three hours of pushing, when the baby finally crowned, my nephew turned to his mom and said, “I’m sorry for every time I talked back to you.”
The mother pays the price of birth. She doesn’t enlist the child’s assistance or solicit his or her advice. Why would she? The baby can’t even take a breath without umbilical help, much less navigate a path into new life. Nor, Jesus is saying, can we.
Spiritual rebirthing requires a capable parent, not an able infant.
Who is this parent? Check the strategically selected word
again. The Greek language offers two choices for
again: - 1. Palin, which means a repetition of an act; to redo what was done earlier
- 2. Anothen, which also depicts a repeated action, but requires the original source to repeat it. It means “from above, from a higher place, things which come from heaven or God.” In other words, the one who did the work the first time does it again. This is the word Jesus chose.
The difference between the two terms is the difference between a painting by da Vinci and one by me. Suppose you and I are standing in the Louvre, admiring the famous
Mona Lisa. Inspired by the work, I produce an easel and canvas and announce, “I’m going to paint this beautiful portrait again.”
And I do! Right there in the Salle des Etats, I brandish my palette and flurry my brush and re-create the
Mona Lisa. Alas, Lucado is no Leonardo. Ms. Lisa has a Picassoesque imbalance to her—crooked nose and one eye higher than the other. Technically, however, I keep my pledge and paint the
Mona Lisa again.
Jesus means something else. He employs the second Greek term, calling for the action of the original source. He uses the word
anothen, which, if honored in the Paris gallery, would require da Vinci’s presence.
Anothen excludes:
- Second-generation attempts.
He who did it first must do it again. The original creator recreates his creation. This is the act that Jesus describes.
- Born: God exerts the effort.
- Again: God restores the beauty.
We don’t try again. We need, not the muscle of self, but a miracle of God.
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