Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 02-10-2009, 08:43 AM
ManOfWord's Avatar
ManOfWord ManOfWord is offline
Honorary Admin


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sandusky, Ohio
Posts: 6,287
Re: A Time to Rebel

MM, you raise some very good questions. From my experience, the only venue of "discussion" for young ministers is to address their questions in a Oneness Apostolic Forum/Symposium where basically the company line is propagated & defended.

In all the years I was in the org, there was NEVER one single time that there was open dialogue w/o fear of repercussion or ostracism. As long as this continues there will be a huge "sucking" sound OUT of the org as these young men have internal discussion among themselves arriving at conclusions from their search not their org's dogma.

I remember a long standing UPCI bible study called, Search for Truth. I fear that the search is no longer for truth but for the best way to apologetically prove accepted dogma.
__________________
"Those who go after the "Sauls" among us often slay the Davids among us." Gene Edwards
Executive Servant
http://www.newlife-church.org
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 02-10-2009, 10:10 AM
MrMasterMind's Avatar
MrMasterMind MrMasterMind is offline
Absolute Agenda


 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 420
Re: A Time to Rebel

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfWord View Post
MM, you raise some very good questions. From my experience, the only venue of "discussion" for young ministers is to address their questions in a Oneness Apostolic Forum/Symposium where basically the company line is propagated & defended.

In all the years I was in the org, there was NEVER one single time that there was open dialogue w/o fear of repercussion or ostracism. As long as this continues there will be a huge "sucking" sound OUT of the org as these young men have internal discussion among themselves arriving at conclusions from their search not their org's dogma.

I remember a long standing UPCI bible study called, Search for Truth. I fear that the search is no longer for truth but for the best way to apologetically prove accepted dogma.


Apparently the old guard is so afraid of having to give an answer deeper than- old paths, old landmarks, or that's the way we have always done it, they would rather the young preachers leave. Sad.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 02-10-2009, 10:16 AM
MrMasterMind's Avatar
MrMasterMind MrMasterMind is offline
Absolute Agenda


 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 420
Re: A Time to Rebel

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfWord View Post
As long as this continues there will be a huge "sucking" sound OUT of the org as these young men have internal discussion among themselves arriving at conclusions from their search not their org's dogma.
Another great point, since there is no wish to discuss change on the part of the status quo, the young preachers are forced to have internal discussions.

Therefore finding their own way without the benefit of the elder's wisdom.

Furthermore, the second they meet in private (for fear of retaliation) they are branded subversive.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 02-10-2009, 10:20 AM
SDG SDG is offline
Guest


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: H-Town, Texas
Posts: 18,009
Re: A Time to Rebel

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMasterMind View Post
Another great point, since there is no wish to discuss change on the part of the status quo, the young preachers are forced to have internal discussions.

Therefore finding their own way without the benefit of the elder's wisdom.

Furthermore, the second they meet in private (for fear of retaliation) they are branded subversive.
A lot worse .... than "subversive".

They are accused of dividing the Church ... which amounts to the kiss of death.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 02-10-2009, 10:25 AM
MrMasterMind's Avatar
MrMasterMind MrMasterMind is offline
Absolute Agenda


 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 420
Re: A Time to Rebel

Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea View Post
A lot worse .... than "subversive".

They are accused of dividing the Church ... which amounts to the kiss of death.
I see you label yourself as emerging and relevant.

How do YOU define those terms?
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 02-10-2009, 10:36 AM
ManOfWord's Avatar
ManOfWord ManOfWord is offline
Honorary Admin


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sandusky, Ohio
Posts: 6,287
Re: A Time to Rebel

Not only will they lose the young ones, they will also lose the smart ones. I am convinced that they WANT to believe. They just want to put their belief in something that has more substance than "old paths or ancient landmarks."

I'm a skeptic. I'm not skeptical because I don't want to believe...I'm skeptical because I DO want to believe. I just want to make sure that when I say something, it's verifiable. That's the reason I don't forward ANYTHING unless I've checked it out first. I don't like to get taken and I don't want to deceive anyone either.
__________________
"Those who go after the "Sauls" among us often slay the Davids among us." Gene Edwards
Executive Servant
http://www.newlife-church.org
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 02-10-2009, 10:39 AM
SDG SDG is offline
Guest


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: H-Town, Texas
Posts: 18,009
Re: A Time to Rebel

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfWord View Post
Not only will they lose the young ones, they will also lose the smart ones. I am convinced that they WANT to believe. They just want to put their belief in something that has more substance than "old paths or ancient landmarks."

I'm a skeptic. I'm not skeptical because I don't want to believe...I'm skeptical because I DO want to believe. I just want to make sure that when I say something, it's verifiable. That's the reason I don't forward ANYTHING unless I've checked it out first. I don't like to get taken and I don't want to deceive anyone either.
As I see it ... the next batch to leave will leave the org with some serious brain drain ...

I think we'll see a split very soon.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 02-10-2009, 11:17 AM
MrMasterMind's Avatar
MrMasterMind MrMasterMind is offline
Absolute Agenda


 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Washington DC
Posts: 420
Re: A Time to Rebel

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMasterMind View Post
I see you label yourself as emerging and relevant.

How do YOU define those terms?
BUMP for Daniel Alicea
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 02-10-2009, 01:53 PM
Rhoni Rhoni is offline
delete account


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 8,086
Re: A Time to Rebel

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMasterMind View Post
Those whom we label patriots the British once called rebels.

The verse most often bandied about by certain conservative cliques is rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft 1 Samuel 15:23. The part not explained is the rebellion is against God, not man governed organizations.

Yes the pastor of the local assembly is to be honored, respected, and unless teaching directly contrary to the Word, followed. But when an organization places tradition on par with scripture, and then refuses to even allow discussion by young ministers how can they not expect either rebellion or mass exodus?
The Bible tells us there is a time for everything. Sometimes what appears to be rebellion could actually be looked at as "GROWTH".

Blessings, Rhoni
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 02-10-2009, 02:26 PM
Ferd's Avatar
Ferd Ferd is offline
I remain the Petulant Chevalier


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 17,524
Re: A Time to Rebel

sigh. the more things change the more things stay the same.

It doesnt matter what one does, another generation will arise and rebel. MrMind rises to the level of every other "new" generation that has come down the pike.

You remind me of something I heard on the radio the other day.

a youngster called into a talkshow to explain why he dropped out of highschool and why he refused the education provided by the "state"

Such a well spoken young man, but the message he was so intent on delivering was so clearly off base.

Well anyway, good luck with your quest Don Quixote.
__________________
If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
My Countdown Counting down to: Days left till the end of the opressive Texas Summer!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
If my time were over.... steve p Fellowship Hall 4 06-15-2008 07:54 PM
first time bond88 The Welcome Mat 1 05-20-2008 04:52 PM
It's Time Digging4Truth The Music Room 0 09-28-2007 08:33 AM
It's Time To Get Over It Glenda B Fellowship Hall 165 04-26-2007 11:39 PM
Rebel Yell!! Kutless Fellowship Hall 53 04-26-2007 09:11 AM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.