You know me well enough PO, to know I agree with that.
What's strange to me is to see Repubs on this forum and everywhere, that were perfectly complacent to see huge tax breaks handed out to the top tax bracket and Wall Street over the last 8 years and now they've suddenly found their voice about debt and big spending. It's very hypocritical.
Really? I can come up with quite a few posts from folks who weren't happy about the bail-out Bush pushed through. And I also know a LOT of people who would like to see earmarks done away with, which is another big spending problem. (Not to mention a complete lack of accountability)
Tax breaks are NOT the problem, anyway. We need less taxation--not more.
My husband's current tax rate in his web business is about 30%. That is a RIDICULOUS amount. No American should have to fork over nearly 1/3 of their income to the government. I don't care HOW much they make per year.
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You know me well enough PO, to know I agree with that.
What's strange to me is to see Repubs on this forum and everywhere, that were perfectly complacent to see huge tax breaks handed out to the top tax bracket and Wall Street over the last 8 years and now they've suddenly found their voice about debt and big spending. It's very hypocritical.
I think we are just now getting to the bottom of a whole lot of mess on both sides, understanding more details and wanting to discuss it all. I think the opinion is that the Dems said they would change and fix things, but there is no change forthcoming. It can't happen the way they are going. It's not that I think the Republicans would do a better job of it either. We panicked on the first bailout - now finding out it didn't work - they are looking for better answers.
I think we have a handful of people that could make a difference, but they are not positioned to make the final decisions.
Right now anything that either party says is not being trusted by large. Someone is going to have to prove something and not talk about it.
Really? I can come up with quite a few posts from folks who weren't happy about the bail-out Bush pushed through. And I also know a LOT of people who would like to see earmarks done away with, which is another big spending problem. (Not to mention a complete lack of accountability)
Tax breaks are NOT the problem, anyway. We need less taxation--not more.
My husband's current tax rate in his web business is about 30%. That is a RIDICULOUS amount. No American should have to fork over nearly 1/3 of their income to the government. I don't care HOW much they make per year.
I'm with you on earmarks. They should be outlawed and done away with. I'm glad that the stimulus proposed by Obama doesnt contain earmarks. That's a nice change.
I'm with you on not liking taxes. My wife and I pay between 20%-25% and it stinks, but there was no reason to give the wealthy tax breaks during the last 8 years and over look my tax bracket.
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I think we are just now getting to the bottom of a whole lot of mess on both sides, understanding more details and wanting to discuss it all. I think the opinion is that the Dems said they would change and fix things, but there is no change forthcoming. It can't happen the way they are going. It's not that I think the Republicans would do a better job of it either. We panicked on the first bailout - now finding out it didn't work - they are looking for better answers.
I think we have a handful of people that could make a difference, but they are not positioned to make the final decisions.
Right now anything that either party says is not being trusted by large. Someone is going to have to prove something and not talk about it.
We can agree on all of that, except I do see change on some items, like earmarks for example. I also am glad we're committed to leaving Iraq, ASAP, and closing GITMO. He's only been in office for three weeks tommorow, so I'm not ready to give up on him yet.
The vast majority of that stuff, you and I agree on PO. You and I agree on a lot when it gets down to the brass tacks of politics.
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I'm with you on earmarks. They should be outlawed and done away with. I'm glad that the stimulus proposed by Obama doesnt contain earmarks. That's a nice change.
I'm with you on not liking taxes. My wife and I pay between 20%-25% and it stinks, but there was no reason to give the wealthy tax breaks during the last 8 years and over look my tax bracket.
Mike, do you get the news in Arkansas? No earmarks in the stimulus? Millions of dollars for condoms? Millions of dollars for construction for Milwaukee public schools which has 15 schools that are boarded up and the enrollment is shrinking? Millions to ACORN? Millions for ATV trails? The list of pork goes on and on. That's not stimulus, that's a Democrat spending spree.
As far as hypocrisy is concerned, Rush, Sean and many prominent conservatives criticized Bush and the GOP for record deficits. Many here have criticized Bush for the uncontrolled spending. I have been critical.
What is hypocritical is a President who says that the recession is the result of GOP failed economic policy and then turns around and does exactly what the GOP did only on steroids.
What Bush had was an inherited recession that began under Clinton but came to an end with tax cuts for EVERYONE ("for the rich" is hyperbole, we all saw our taxes decline). The economy grew for an unprecidented 52 straight months and set a Dow record exceeding 14,000. The housing debacle was set up by Clinton's HUD with the goal of loaning money to people who weren't credit worthy. The Dems fought against changing the policy when Bush and the GOP took control with filibusters. Barney Frank is on record saying Freddie and Fannie were in fine shape. With the GOP spending like drunken sailors and Bush never vetoing one spending bill, the recipe was ripe for disaster. The Dems took control in 2006 and the spending continued. The economy tanked with both parties in power.
It isn't hypocritial to criticize the same policies that got us here.
Where's the outrage Mike from you and other Obama fans over BO appointing nearly a dozen people to his administration with lobbyist ties after he said his admin would be the most ethical? Where's the consistency of criticism from your camp when he appoints four people with tax problems, one of which is now the chief handler of tax money? Its only three weeks you say, give him a chance you say. I say I've seen enough to know that the man could barely say his oath of office before he started breaking promises, making abortion easier and demonstrating he is a novice. Of course many of us already knew what to expect, that's why we opposed him then and we will continue to do so.
Obama will lose seats in 2010 and he will be a one term president.
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Mike, do you get the news in Arkansas? No earmarks in the stimulus? Millions of dollars for condoms? Millions of dollars for construction for Milwaukee public schools which has 15 schools that are boarded up and the enrollment is shrinking? Millions to ACORN? Millions for ATV trails? The list of pork goes on and on. That's not stimulus, that's a Democrat spending spree.
As far as hypocrisy is concerned, Rush, Sean and many prominent conservatives criticized Bush and the GOP for record deficits. Many here have criticized Bush for the uncontrolled spending. I have been critical.
What is hypocritical is a President who says that the recession is the result of GOP failed economic policy and then turns around and does exactly what the GOP did only on steroids.
What Bush had was an inherited recession that began under Clinton but came to an end with tax cuts for EVERYONE ("for the rich" is hyperbole, we all saw our taxes decline). The economy grew for an unprecidented 52 straight months and set a Dow record exceeding 14,000. The housing debacle was set up by Clinton's HUD with the goal of loaning money to people who weren't credit worthy. The Dems fought against changing the policy when Bush and the GOP took control with filibusters. Barney Frank is on record saying Freddie and Fannie were in fine shape. With the GOP spending like drunken sailors and Bush never vetoing one spending bill, the recipe was ripe for disaster. The Dems took control in 2006 and the spending continued. The economy tanked with both parties in power.
It isn't hypocritial to criticize the same policies that got us here.
Where's the outrage Mike from you and other Obama fans over BO appointing nearly a dozen people to his administration with lobbyist ties after he said his admin would be the most ethical? Where's the consistency of criticism from your camp when he appoints four people with tax problems, one of which is now the chief handler of tax money? Its only three weeks you say, give him a chance you say. I say I've seen enough to know that the man could barely say his oath of office before he started breaking promises, making abortion easier and demonstrating he is a novice. Of course many of us already knew what to expect, that's why we opposed him then and we will continue to do so.
Obama will lose seats in 2010 and he will be a one term president.
Deacon, this post is another example why I can't have civil political discussions with you. You'd rather blather around with partisan hack junk straight from Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and you don't care whether it's actually true or not.
I suspect you already know this, but ACORN is NOT mentioned anywhere in the stimulus plan. You and some of the right wing hacks have twisted the facts and you've taken the "for neighborhood stabilization activities related to emergency assistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes as authorized under division B, title III of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008.", portion of the bill and labeled it "ACORN". In fact it's not ACORN at all, but is dealing with the housing crisis.
Rush Limbaugh hasn't told the truth in years and that's why the guy is a laughing stock and complete joke. You'd be better served to form your own opinions and not listen to his drivel. You'd get more of the truth of what's actually going on.
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If he does not do something to change, he will be another Jimmy Carter.
He will not last.
I realize this.
I think that once the stimulus is passed, things will change.
America's financial despair will not be as bad this time, next year.
His "leadership" in repairing the economy will bring him political laud.
In order for BHO to not get reelected, he'd have to just make things much worse, screw up royally in Iraq and Afghanistan and have a sex scandal and then maybe the right GOP candidate can come it.
Many folks don't realize just how badly the GOP is perceived right now.
Steele has to lead the GOP in remaking their brand name.
Absent a BHO screwing up, the remaking will take 8 years.
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Deacon, this post is another example why I can't have civil political discussions with you. You'd rather blather around with partisan hack junk straight from Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and you don't care whether it's actually true or not.
I suspect you already know this, but ACORN is NOT mentioned anywhere in the stimulus plan. You and some of the right wing hacks have twisted the facts and you've taken the "for neighborhood stabilization activities related to emergency assistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes as authorized under division B, title III of the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008.", portion of the bill and labeled it "ACORN". In fact it's not ACORN at all, but is dealing with the housing crisis.
Rush Limbaugh hasn't told the truth in years and that's why the guy is a laughing stock and complete joke. You'd be better served to form your own opinions and not listen to his drivel. You'd get more of the truth of what's actually going on.
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You know, the Repubs and Conservs really love Obama! Now they have someone to blame!
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