Obama's SS: Step One

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are correct, BUT Obama has been a tool for them. As you see he set up the Public Allies deal in 1992.

It's all the same thing rather it's the Democrats or the Republicans. They are just the right and left hands of the same agenda.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Not exactly a cry of "wolf", Aquila. It is a known fact that Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies which he started in 1992. It is a non-profit group and he plans/planned to use it as a model for a national service corps.

He calls the program, ""Universal Voluntary Public Service". The program promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year "community leadership" positions with nonprofit or government agencies.

The contention is that we have military and local law enforcement, which makes this program suspect and a precursor of the ideology of Hitler's youth program.

I would also like to point out that 70% of it's recruits are "people of color".

Not a cry of "wolf" by any means.

Serious, the DANGER that some are hysterical about can not happen.

There are too many "safeties" in place to prevent it, right now.


Besides, maybe if the government had something similar to what President Obama is attempting to establish, Hurricane Katrina operations would not have gone so badly and their police would not have abandoned their city.


And how does the "color" of the people recruited for this matter?

Could it be that those recruited are the ones who respond?
Could it be that those recruited are coming from the inner city ghettos and deep south shanty towns that haven't seen significant economic growth since the days of sharecropping?

These are areas where "people of color" reside-- areas that need significant development and financial investing in a way that benefits those who need the most help.

And so where is the harm in any of this?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by scotty

Sorry , two different subjects. Again what you speak of is a federally funded volunteer force...thats been known. Obama has stated the desire for an active force under federal authority. FBI foot soilders if you will. Whether or not he can build it to that point without opposition remains to be seen. But the fact that this has been a Democratic goal is no less surprising either.

That's not what these policies call for. It's about better funding and a more streamlined system wherein the Federal Government can combat domestic threats and terrorism. You know how this works bro. The new President is briefed by the NSA and they tell him the agenda as it currently stands and their advisers tell him why each of these policies are necessary. If the President agrees, or there are no serious ideological differences regarding policy, the President pushes for it to keep it in development.

I think you're trying to spin this thing. This is all far bigger than Obama and has been in the works far longer than you'd think.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Serious, the DANGER that some are hysterical about can not happen.

There are too many "safeties" in place to prevent it, right now.


Besides, maybe if the government had something similar to what President Obama is attempting to establish, Hurricane Katrina operations would not have gone so badly and their police would not have abandoned their city.


And how does the "color" of the people recruited for this matter?

Could it be that those recruited are the ones who respond?
Could it be that those recruited are coming from the inner city ghettos and deep south shanty towns that haven't seen significant economic growth since the days of sharecropping?

These are areas where "people of color" reside-- areas that need significant development and financial investing in a way that benefits those who need the most help.

And so where is the harm in any of this?

It could be we are just racist,

why else would PO state such a terrible thing.



Is that really where you think we are at in this day and age ? Especially here on this forum ?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Serious, the DANGER that some are hysterical about can not happen.

There are too many "safeties" in place to prevent it, right now.


Besides, maybe if the government had something similar to what President Obama is attempting to establish, Hurricane Katrina operations would not have gone so badly and their police would not have abandoned their city.


And how does the "color" of the people recruited for this matter?

Could it be that those recruited are the ones who respond?
Could it be that those recruited are coming from the inner city ghettos and deep south shanty towns that haven't seen significant economic growth since the days of sharecropping?

These are areas where "people of color" reside-- areas that need significant development and financial investing in a way that benefits those who need the most help.

And so where is the harm in any of this?

There are safeties in place and this program appears to be growing?

I see the harm because of the chanting - “Obama takes on racist America!,”

What is that about?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by scotty

It could be we are just racist,

why else would PO state such a terrible thing.



Is that really where you think we are at in this day and age ? Especially here on this forum ?

Bro, we can't paint with a broad brush. Where I live there isn't much racism at all. But in Lebanon Ohio, we have the county seat of the KKK... the area is very old school. There are large pockets of racial hate scattered throughout America and scattered haters even in more liberalized cities.

I think it's so silly how so many people paint so broadly and make very thing sound so simple when most situations are quite complex.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by scotty

It could be we are just racist,

why else would PO state such a terrible thing.



Is that really where you think we are at in this day and age ? Especially here on this forum ?

Absolutely not Scotty!

I think I present myself better than that when I post here.


But P O brought it up.
Why is it important?

Is the race of the recruits important because it appears to be part of BHO's scheme to pay the white man back for his evils? (this was one of the ignorant fears that presented itself during the campaign).

And besides, we all know that Mrs. Obama is just a militant but educated Negro looking to avenge her people....
(again, that is what some folks thought, and maybe now think)

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

There are safeties in place and this program appears to be growing?

I see the harm because of the chanting - “Obama takes on racist America!,”

What is that about?

I've never heard tell of a crowd chanting such .........

It was "racist America" that elected him in the first place!
His election proves just how far America has come.

Sure there is room to for more growth for everyone when discussing racism.



This program that folks are hysterical about: growth as in first it was just an idea, now it will become a reality.

Would it be a bad thing if the government was to say that all of our citizens must participate in some form of service upon graduating from HS?

Would it be bad for our government to give her citizens more options than just the military or the poorly funded Americorps program?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro, we can't paint with a broad brush. Where I live there isn't much racism at all. But in Lebanon Ohio, we have the county seat of the KKK... the area is very old school. There are large pockets of racial hate scattered throughout America and scattered haters even in more liberalized cities.

I think it's so silly how so many people paint so broadly and make very thing sound so simple when most situations are quite complex.

Well, so far I am "silly" and "dont have a clue" . And all just in one thread. Considering our conversations in the past this somehow does not surprise me, lol.

Ok, anyway, while racism exist in areas of the United States I would argue against it being "large pockets"... they apparently were not large enough to come even close to turning the vote.

Are there idiots out there, you bet there are. But guess what, if you dont give them a war to fight, the soldier is dormant. So considering they are in the minority they really have little power. After all, the Democratic Party is the last that would tollerate racism. So we are lead to believe.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Would it be a bad thing if the government was to say that all of our citizens must participate in some form of service upon graduating from HS?

Yes.

Would it be bad for our government to give her citizens more options than just the military or the poorly funded Americorps program?

No

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