Obama: "Close Gitmo."

[Aquila]

We can see this, where did the "conservatives" go wrong?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by SuzanneDeAZ

My concern is more than Obama making Gitmo part of an exective order. He did 5 orders in 3 days which is way beyond any other president. It is a way he can make decisions without the congress having a say. If he uses this venue of making decisions more than using congress it appears that we may have more of a dictator than a president. Do any of you see this as being part of his way of running his administration? If so are you concerned over this?

I think you are drunk on conservative conspiracy cool-aid.

There is a system of checks and balances in place.

His election victory gives him the "mandate" to at least attempt to keep the promises he made during the campaign.

An Obama victory surely sealed the fate of GITMO-- he said it would and no one was surprised by this Executive Order.

[Jaxon]

Obama's Gitmo closing is but the beginning of signals he detests Bushs actions toward terrorism. As he begins to tear down the walls against terrorism let there be no doubt every group that has wanted to attack us since 9-11 will note the chinks in the armor.

If terrorists intent on doing grave damage to our country are caught and the attacks are thwarted by information gathered through infliction of torture, I would be thankful. Very thankful. I guess Obama feels they should get an "I'm sorry/sympathy card.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jaxon

Obama's Gitmo closing is but the beginning of signals he detests Bushs actions toward terrorism. As he begins to tear down the walls against terrorism let there be no doubt every group that has wanted to attack us since 9-11 will note the chinks in the armor.

If terrorists intent on doing grave damage to our country are caught and the attacks are thwarted by information gathered through infliction of torture, I would be thankful. Very thankful. I guess Obama feels they should get an "I'm sorry/sympathy card.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jaxon

Obama's Gitmo closing is but the beginning of signals he detests Bushs actions toward terrorism. As he begins to tear down the walls against terrorism let there be no doubt every group that has wanted to attack us since 9-11 will note the chinks in the armor.

If terrorists intent on doing grave damage to our country are caught and the attacks are thwarted by information gathered through infliction of torture, I would be thankful. Very thankful. I guess Obama feels they should get an "I'm sorry/sympathy card.

I don't think you understand what it is like to serve the most just country on the earth right now while looking into the eyes of young men and old unfairly incarcerated by your country.

Many folks detained are very bad people and I wish they were simply killed after about the 3rd or 4th day of their capture. Their "intel value" after that point is almost zero anyway.

But I have met some who were unfairly captured. The military folks know it, the CIA know it, but once captured, there is a process involved that just is not simple at all. Often, the captured are residents of a country who's government (local) will kill them anyway, upon release from U.S. custody. Sometimes, their governments won't even allow them back into their country (nationally).

What do you do with those folks-- the innocent who can never return to their own country because of what they have been accused of?


There is a system to which EC's (enemy combatants) who are captured can be tried, but the system is pretty "new" and thus, has major flaws for example, if you are accused to be aiding the Taliban by another young man who simply wants you out of his way for whatever reason, you have virtually no recourse.

The ANA or ANP (Afghan National Army / Police) will detain you, transfer you to U.S. custody (after being beaten almost to the point of death sometimes), and then you have to wait, most times years, for a trial in the military system by a foreign government entity that has no intention of releasing you if you are going to hurt it's people or assets.

Indeed we will detain you as long as we possibly can if it means protecting American life and assets. For some folks, they think this better than killing them.


I am not one for killing the innocent on purpose. I find more appalling however, to leave the innocent and the guilty incarcerated for years and years without a trial. I think it would be better to just kill them and be done with the justice or mistake, whatever the case may be.