Un-Holy Trinity?

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

There believe there are three individuals....dudes...three of them. The word Holy Spirit does not refer to God's essence but is the name of the third dude, yeah.

Are you serious? Do some people really believe the Holy Spirit is actually a person also?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

Are you serious? Do some people really believe the Holy Spirit is actually a person also?

Most Trinitarians believe the Holy Spirit is a third person of the Trinity.

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

Are you serious? Do some people really believe the Holy Spirit is actually a person also?

Many modern Trinitarians believe exactly that.

Originally Posted by sola gratia

I agree the term is tough to understand - but only if you fail to comprehend the meaning of the word "person"

In the trinitarian terms - this word has been debated since its use - which was as early as the 200's - The term "persons" is simply to denote distinction, and a sense of individuality. In the manner that we see so much is given to each "manifestation" such as the Father loving the Son and the Son loving the Father for instance - Jesus tells us of the love that exists between Father and Son... meaning Himself and the Father - we then have certain texts that say things such as "it seemed good to us and to the Holy Spirit" noting a form of distinction - giving the Spirit some individuality...

So persons does not mean flesh and blood - like we think of - simply distinction.... Let me supply a reference: From a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary

Trinity (Triunity) of God
by
J. Hampton Keathley III

Person: In speaking of the Triunity, the term “person” is not used in same way it is in ordinary usage in which it means an identity completely distinct from other persons. Actually the word persons tends to detract from the unity of the Trinity. According to the teaching of Scripture, the three Persons are inseparable, interdependent, and eternally united in one Divine Being.

It is evident that the word “person” is not ideal for the purpose. Orthodox writers have struggled over this term. Some have opted for the term subsistence (the mode or quality of existence), hence, “God has three substances.” Most have continued to use persons because we have not been able to find a better term. “The word substance speaks of God’s essential nature or being and subsistence describes His mode or quality of existence.”


Hopefully that helps to better explain the position - its quite valid actually - OP's have demonized to place where we/they - whatever can no longer fathom it - despite biblical implication that are clearly present

Actually, there is a better term than "person," the English/Latin word "persona."

[MrsMcD]

Someone on this forum said that "persons" doesn't mean actual separate people. Would you say these people believe in three different persons?

GOD: We believe there is only One true, eternally existent God. He exists in three co-equal persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The triune God is the Creator and Sustainer of all things, and is worthy of worship and obedience. -Deut. 6:4-5; Genesis 1:31, Luke 3:21-22; Matthew 28:18-20, Rev. 4:11

[Scott Hutchinson]

The whole thing to me hinges on that eternal sonship doctrine ,which Jesus did not exist as a Son till His birth.GAL.4:4
JOHN 3:16 Teaches me that God became a Son through his virgin birth.
Since Jesus Christ was God manifest in Human flesh ,God became a Son or He sent Himself in the form of a son.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

Someone on this forum said that "persons" doesn't mean actual separate people. Would you say these people believe in three different persons?

GOD: We believe there is only One true, eternally existent God. He exists in three co-equal persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The triune God is the Creator and Sustainer of all things, and is worthy of worship and obedience. -Deut. 6:4-5; Genesis 1:31, Luke 3:21-22; Matthew 28:18-20, Rev. 4:11

People refers to human persons. Persons refers to the individual self which could be a human, God, angel etc etc

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

The whole thing to me hinges on that eternal sonship doctrine ,which Jesus did not exist as a Son till His birth.GAL.4:4
JOHN 3:16 Teaches me that God became a Son through his virgin birth.
Since Jesus Christ was God manifest in Human flesh ,God became a Son or He sent Himself in the form of a son.

But since God exists outside of time, everything is just one eternal now to Him - He is not bound by the constraints of past, present or future. Thus, in the same sense that Jesus was slain from before the foundation of the world, could not Jesus have also been begotten from before the foundation of the world?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

People refers to human persons. Persons refers to the individual self which could be a human, God, angel etc etc

Which, of course, raises the issue of whether the term "persons" is appropriate.

[lvslv]

I think what this scripture is referring to is the unholy trinity of isis , osirus & horacce,the eye on your dollarbill,isis was worshiped in babylon,shes also standing in new york harbor,the statue of libertas, you can't have freedom outside of the Way the Truth, and the life,Praise Jesus name! This unholy trinity is also called the original three,A symbol of this is three horizontal lines,usuualy red,its very prevalent in the music industry these days.In babylon they had a famous gate called the gate of ishtar,it was also referred to as the freedom gate,got a new york quarter check it out.in baby lo called ishtar,in egypt isis,in rome libertas,in the usa the statue of liberty.May the One True Holy Righteous God & the Lord Jesus have mercy on us all.fyi if you've ever wondered who the (queen of heaven is,bingo, ) the Saints of the Most High must be oiled & watching