Emergent Leader says "Gay is Biblical Lifestyle"

[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The homosexual community has their own definitions. Remember they are attempting to redefine marriage. They have redefine monogamy. Do you know the average amount of partners the average homosexual has? It would astound you. Yet many of them believe they practice a monogamous relationship.

According to scripture, He who the Son sets free is free indeed. There is no such thing as a recovering alcholic in the Kingdom of God. When God gets ahold of the alcoholic, that person is recovered.... Recovering indicates an ongoing process... When God sets free, addiction chains are broken.

I completely disagree with all of what you've said here. Straight people are promiscuous too. Your view of recovering addicts is naive, salvation is an ongoing process. Sometimes people are miraculously freed from their vices, most times they are not and must learn to take up their cross daily, ala the Apostle Paul and his 'thorn in the flesh'.

[seeking4truth]

Their is only one way to build a church and that is on the chief cornersone which is jesus christ. We as members of the body( of the true body) being washed in blood by taking on his name (Jesus name) in baptism are responsible for sharing his word and only his word not someone else teaching but god teaching. There is no other way to have church but one, the way Gods word says to in the bible.
As for gay movement it is all Romans chapter one,verse 18 thru 32 describes the end for those people. In 1 corinthians chapter 6 verse 9 and 10 it is also explained who will inherit the kingdom of God!

[ForeverBlessed]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

I completely disagree with all of what you've said here. Straight people are promiscuous too. Your view of recovering addicts is naive, salvation is an ongoing process. Sometimes people are miraculously freed from their vices, most times they are not and must learn to take up their cross daily, ala the Apostle Paul and his 'thorn in the flesh'.

you are correct. I do believe that some people are totally delivered from lifestyles at conversion....but others deal with the weakness and keep it submitted to God in honor of his word.

To those who might think that everyone is delivered from drugs or alcohol possibly has not dealt with addictions.... according to what my ex husband recently shared with me.... although he served God...his walk was a daily overcoming of temptation of his flesh, just as anyone else struggles with temptation to porn, alchohol and other addictions. He gave in at points of spiritual weakness and eventually never recovered and allowed drugs to destroy his life.

I do believe things can get easier with time of living an overcoming life... the addictive nature is dealt with... but total deliverance does not come for everyone. I personally know a homosexual living an overcoming life in an Apostolic church.

[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

I personally know a homosexual living an overcoming life in an Apostolic church.

I know of some as well. And I'm happy they're overcoming, as the rest of us struggle to overcome our 'thorns' as well.

I mentioned Henri Nouwen, a famous Christian minister and author who wrote some very, very insightful and inspirational stuff. It wasn't until after he died that personal papers revealed his lifelong homosexuality. He fought it every day and chose to live a celibate lifestyle and did not practice or indulge his homosexual predilection. Many people were shocked at this because he gave no indication of his orientation or struggle during his life. Yet he lived for Christ and produced a marvelous body of work and life example that many of us have benefited from on a spiritual level.

Unfortunately, I think too many such people in our churches feel they don't have this option and are shamed in a sense into feeling like they're somehow worse than the rest of us and they leave the church because they aren't welcome. This situation reminds me of Christs admonition that we should never cause God's children to stumble and it'd be better off if we hand a stone around our neck and jump in a lake than face God's wrath for our actions.

As the small groups pastor of a growing church I once commented to a church board member, 'Our groups should have such love and community that a gay person could come out of the closet without fear of rejection or disfellowship". His response? "That'll NEVER happen! Not in MY group it won't!". Another board member of this same church proclaimed that he didn't want gays coming to his church and using the same toilets as he and his grandchildren. And this is a church that viewed itself as 'progressive'. Not so much, imo, and one of the reasons I'm no longer there.

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The homosexual community has their own definitions. Remember they are attempting to redefine marriage. They have redefine monogamy. Do you know the average amount of partners the average homosexual has? It would astound you. Yet many of them believe they practice a monogamous relationship.

According to scripture, He who the Son sets free is free indeed. There is no such thing as a recovering alcholic in the Kingdom of God. When God gets ahold of the alcoholic, that person is recovered.... Recovering indicates an ongoing process... When God sets free, addiction chains are broken.

I agree to a point that when God sets you free you are free. I think a lot of time the devil lets people think they are free when they are only on a long leash and he still holds the handle.

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

I completely disagree with all of what you've said here. Straight people are promiscuous too. Your view of recovering addicts is naive, salvation is an ongoing process. Sometimes people are miraculously freed from their vices, most times they are not and must learn to take up their cross daily, ala the Apostle Paul and his 'thorn in the flesh'.

I think using the "thorn in the flesh" idea my be out of order here.

[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

I think using the "thorn in the flesh" idea my be out of order here.

Why?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

Why?

Why do you think Paul's thorn in the flesh was some type of lust or sinful weakness instead of a physical malady?

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

Why?

From my studing it was his eyesight (maybe blindness setting in) that was bad, not a sinful weakness in his life.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Why do you think Paul's thorn in the flesh was some type of lust or sinful weakness instead of a physical malady?

I agree. No one knows with any real certaintly what his thorn in the flesh was.

Even the best scholars have disagreed for centuries as to the nature of his thorn.

We really cant assume either way.

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

From my studing it was his eyesight (maybe blindness setting in) that was bad, not a sinful weakness in his life.

I've heard that, but I dont think the bible evidence for that is definitive at all.

[jimmyrrs]

I do understand what you mean "that we must learn to take up their cross daily, ala the Apostle Paul and his 'thorn in the flesh" no matter what is in our life we must carry on.